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Let's just say it's not going well for the Titans. It starts with the Pacman Jones suspension, but does not end there. They couldn't work out a cap-friendly contract for Travis Henry, cut him, and watched him go to Denver. His supposed replacement, LenDale White, allegedly is up to 435 pounds and six chins. Vince Young's best receiver, Drew Bennett, is now in St. Louis, while his favorite receiver, Bobby Wade, is now in Minnesota. Even worse, VY agreed to be on the cover of Madden 08. Signing Nick Harper from Indianapolis certainly doesn't make up for all that.
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Ted Ginn Jr. would be a nice target for Vince Young. (Stephen Dunn / Getty Images)
1. Wide receiver: Some teams have a bunch of twos with no number one; the Titans have a bunch of threes with no number one OR two.
2. Running back: Even if LenDale White can get in shape and find his college form, he has no backup right now.
3. Defensive end: The Travis LaBoy thing isn't really working out.
4. Cornerback: I know, you expected this to be number one, but you've got to give Courtland Finnegan and Reynaldo Hill some props. They're pretty good for two seventh-round picks.
5. Center: Kevin Mawae will eventually have to retire.
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martino, i have also heard the Titans are planning to move him to CB. I have watched Michael Griffin for 4 yrs at UT, including many games in person and a few practices. He will be a great S in the NFL, and i mean pro-bowler caliber. However he did cover a few times in college. His #s and the Longhorn secondary didnt look great many times last year, despite haveing 3 studs, Griffin, Aaron Ross and Tarell Brown, all whom were drafted this past yr. This was b/c the scheme of the S were to stop the run at all cost and left the CBs on an island almost ever time. So Griffin did not play too much pass coverage this year, but he will excell at S at the next level. I feel Griffin will not be a "bad" CB but its not his natural position. He will be great in run support and with good teaching will be a good bump-n-run guy, he can be physical with any WR in the league. But dont just put him out on an island b/c he doesnt have the hips that NFL CBs need. He will get beat both b/c of lack of experience at CB and the fact that he isnt a natural corner. He will be a GREAT team guy and will work very very hard. He will make everyone around him better.(including Lamont Thompson, haha, although i think titans should still cut him). He reads the ball well at S and is also someone that can play both FS and SS.
He needs to play S in the NFL, but it doesnt hurt to try him there b/c even at S he will have to cover at some point.
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What do you guys think the chances are that Keyshan comes to Titans? With only Brandon Jones as anyone with real experience, i think its key that they bring in someone that can be a good WR on the field and locker room. Givens probably wont play this year, at least not the first 10 games for sure. Justin Gage, Roydell Williams, Jonnythan Orr and 3 rookies will not cut it this year. I am not the highest on Keyshan but i think he can be great for this team for 1 yr.
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QUOTE(scontractor @ May 21 2007, 12:51:24 AM) [snapback]96118[/snapback]
anyone know if and what talks are going on with Titans and Keyshawn?
He was in for a visit but, has publicly stated he wants more than 2.5 million to play football. I don't know if at this point he's going to get that much.
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If I'm the Titans organization, I'm paying him MORE than what he wants to be the #1 WR on their team. He's happy because he'll be getting thrown to more often, and the Titans are happy because he's a good football player and a temporary stop-gap for an extremely leaky team. I think Jeff Fisher is fired after the 2007 campaign.
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I am convinced that people around the country have no idea how hard it is to be a Lions fan. They don't know what it's like to have the most exciting running back in NFL history win just one playoff game, then retire. Mostly, they don't realize that the team grossly underachieved in the Barry Sanders era and that was still the best stretch of football most Lions fans have ever known.
Do you realize that if you remove the Sanders years from Lions history, the Lions have had exactly three winning records in their last 25 seasons? Treat that little fact like a wine tasting for a moment: swirl it around your mouth, then spit it out.
Since 1971, the Lions have reached double digits in victories three times. They have lost at least 10 games 15 times. Since Millen arrived before the 2001 season, the Lions have been the worst franchise in the NFL by a significant margin. It is quite possible that they have been the worst franchise in the modern history of the NFL. Yet interest has actually increased. That's not always audible at Ford Field, because it's hard to be loud when your team is losing, and a lot of fans stay away on principle. But the interest is definitely there.
The funny part of this is that most people around the nation would agree that the Red Wings have great fans and the Pistons have great fans. Yet people from those organizations know that the Lions are an obsession on their own level around here...If the Lions ever make the Super Bowl, it would be the biggest thing ever to happen in Detroit sports. It would be the NFL equivalent of the Cubs making the World Series. Of course, whenever you start a sentence with "If the Lions ever make the Super Bowl ..." Detroiters laugh. They doubt it will ever happen. Yet they pull for the Lions anyway.
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QUOTE(Asteinebach @ May 21 2007, 5:04:35 PM) [snapback]96146[/snapback]
If I'm the Titans organization, I'm paying him MORE than what he wants to be the #1 WR on their team. He's happy because he'll be getting thrown to more often, and the Titans are happy because he's a good football player and a temporary stop-gap for an extremely leaky team. I think Jeff Fisher is fired after the 2007 campaign.
I really hope Fisher is not fired, he needs 2 more years to turn it around. He a very good coach. i wouldnt mind a 2 yr deal for 5 million for KJ to be the #1 WR. he is a short term guy, but hell be great for VY and good teacher to younger WRs and great in the locker room.
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QUOTE(scontractor @ May 22 2007, 12:11:24 AM) [snapback]96168[/snapback]
I really hope Fisher is not fired, he needs 2 more years to turn it around. He a very good coach. i wouldnt mind a 2 yr deal for 5 million for KJ to be the #1 WR. he is a short term guy, but hell be great for VY and good teacher to younger WRs and great in the locker room.
I think there is some concern that he'll teach the wrong things to the young WRs. What I'm talking about is the me first, self-centered, throw me the damn ball attitude Keyshawn has been known for. I have no doubts he can still play. However, on a young team you want your veterans to bring along the young guys the correct way.
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And that would be a trickle-down affect from the coaching staff. Please note, that I never said I think Jeff Fisher isn't a good coach. If they sign Key, then it's the coaching staff's responsibility to inform him of his responsibility to the team. Believe me, Keyshawn Johnson has a lot more to teach than just attitude.
Getting back to the idea about Jeff Fisher. I really just think that it's time for the Titans to go in another direction. They had some really good years under Fish, but their playing style has gotten stale, and the only thing that is dynamic on that team (Vince Young) isn't getting any help. It always starts from the top down, and the GM and President need to bring in more young, quality talent. But natural progression just tells me that Fisher has worn his welcome, and that they need to find someone else to coach up the young guys.
I also think that that would be a huge boost to Jeff Fisher's career as a coach. Assuming he still wants to, I'm 100% sure that there's a HC job for a coach that has been tenured as Head Coach for the last 12 or so years.
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I am convinced that people around the country have no idea how hard it is to be a Lions fan. They don't know what it's like to have the most exciting running back in NFL history win just one playoff game, then retire. Mostly, they don't realize that the team grossly underachieved in the Barry Sanders era and that was still the best stretch of football most Lions fans have ever known.
Do you realize that if you remove the Sanders years from Lions history, the Lions have had exactly three winning records in their last 25 seasons? Treat that little fact like a wine tasting for a moment: swirl it around your mouth, then spit it out.
Since 1971, the Lions have reached double digits in victories three times. They have lost at least 10 games 15 times. Since Millen arrived before the 2001 season, the Lions have been the worst franchise in the NFL by a significant margin. It is quite possible that they have been the worst franchise in the modern history of the NFL. Yet interest has actually increased. That's not always audible at Ford Field, because it's hard to be loud when your team is losing, and a lot of fans stay away on principle. But the interest is definitely there.
The funny part of this is that most people around the nation would agree that the Red Wings have great fans and the Pistons have great fans. Yet people from those organizations know that the Lions are an obsession on their own level around here...If the Lions ever make the Super Bowl, it would be the biggest thing ever to happen in Detroit sports. It would be the NFL equivalent of the Cubs making the World Series. Of course, whenever you start a sentence with "If the Lions ever make the Super Bowl ..." Detroiters laugh. They doubt it will ever happen. Yet they pull for the Lions anyway.
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Well, Keyshawn will be spending his time behind a microphone now, as he's retired and accepted a gig with ESPN.
What's the deal with some of the younger WRs on the Titans? They've got a ton of guys with potential (Brandon Jones, Roydell Williams, Courtney Roby, Jonathan Orr). I thought for sure at least a couple of those guys would have stepped up and grabbed the gauntlet. And now they've added Paul Williams, Joel Filani (who I like a lot), and Chris Davis (who I'm not crazy about)... not to mention Biren Ealy, a sleeper with some upside.
Isn't David Givens the veteran presence they need?
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Veteran leadership is a tricky thing. Givens is a veteran, but he's not nearly the player that Keshawn Johnson is/was. They would have benefitted greatly, especially for their young guys, if they had inked Johnson. And another big problem with these young WR's is the fact that they have a 2nd year QB throwing to them. Now, that's not to say that Vince isn't capable, I believe he is. But in the same breath, I could say that he has nothing to give to these young guys as far as route running and advice is concerned. He is too busy concentrating on himself growing as a player (as well he better be).
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I am convinced that people around the country have no idea how hard it is to be a Lions fan. They don't know what it's like to have the most exciting running back in NFL history win just one playoff game, then retire. Mostly, they don't realize that the team grossly underachieved in the Barry Sanders era and that was still the best stretch of football most Lions fans have ever known.
Do you realize that if you remove the Sanders years from Lions history, the Lions have had exactly three winning records in their last 25 seasons? Treat that little fact like a wine tasting for a moment: swirl it around your mouth, then spit it out.
Since 1971, the Lions have reached double digits in victories three times. They have lost at least 10 games 15 times. Since Millen arrived before the 2001 season, the Lions have been the worst franchise in the NFL by a significant margin. It is quite possible that they have been the worst franchise in the modern history of the NFL. Yet interest has actually increased. That's not always audible at Ford Field, because it's hard to be loud when your team is losing, and a lot of fans stay away on principle. But the interest is definitely there.
The funny part of this is that most people around the nation would agree that the Red Wings have great fans and the Pistons have great fans. Yet people from those organizations know that the Lions are an obsession on their own level around here...If the Lions ever make the Super Bowl, it would be the biggest thing ever to happen in Detroit sports. It would be the NFL equivalent of the Cubs making the World Series. Of course, whenever you start a sentence with "If the Lions ever make the Super Bowl ..." Detroiters laugh. They doubt it will ever happen. Yet they pull for the Lions anyway.
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jwest, i agree with you, they a have what seems like a ton of depth. but they dont have a pure #1 guy. Givens is hurt and probably wont play for atleast 1/2 the year maybe more. Brandon Jones Paul Williams are #2 guys everyone else is #3 at best. I agree, with jwest, in the draft i like Williams and Falini(especially when they drafted him, good value), but Davis pick wasnt necessary, they needed other positions. He can inly play slot and kick returns. thats important, but other areas on the team needed focus rather than 3 WRs, none of which are #1 guys. asteinebach, good point. as good as VY is, he isnt ready to teach other positions. He has to do a lot of work just on himself. Hes a great leader but he still cant help with the details. Chow has his work cut out for him.
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What are the Titans going to do this off-season? They have numerous FAs about to hit the market:
Chris Brown RB UFA Justin Gage WR UFA Ben Troupe TE UFA Albert Haynesworth DT UFA Randy Starks DT UFA
Haynesworth is obviously the biggest name, and would likely be tagged, but Gage has become one of VY's favorites, and the others add nice experience and depth.
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A report has surfaced that the Titans are looking to trade Pacman Jones if the commissioner reinstates him after the Pro Bowl, as is expected...of course, that's assuming Pacman avoids arrest between now and then.
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QUOTE (nyyjones @ Jan 7 2008, 10:54:25 PM)
What are the Titans going to do this off-season? They have numerous FAs about to hit the market:
Chris Brown RB UFA Justin Gage WR UFA Ben Troupe TE UFA Albert Haynesworth DT UFA Randy Starks DT UFA
Haynesworth is obviously the biggest name, and would likely be tagged, but Gage has become one of VY's favorites, and the others add nice experience and depth.
What they should do is tag Haynesworth(even though he won't like it), resign Troupe, and offer Gage a medium amount. I think they should let Starks and Brown go.
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QUOTE (PackersPwnage @ Jan 11 2008, 6:45:13 PM)
What they should do is tag Haynesworth(even though he won't like it), resign Troupe, and offer Gage a medium amount. I think they should let Starks and Brown go.
I haven't been able to keep up with Starks this year, but he was a credible backup for his first 3 years. I know he played his college ball at Maryland. I don't remember if he was a NT there or not, although they are one of the major colleges that do play the 3-4. Perhaps, if that was the case, a move to a 3-4 team might be beneficial to him.
As for Brown, they can afford to let him go, now that White is fulfilling his potential. However, although he's had some injuries that last few years, especially last year, he's a big bruising back who averages 4.5 ypc, and you can bet he will be snatched up by another team pretty quick.
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QUOTE (nyyjones @ Jan 11 2008, 4:23:34 PM)
I haven't been able to keep up with Starks this year, but he was a credible backup for his first 3 years. I know he played his college ball at Maryland. I don't remember if he was a NT there or not, although they are one of the major colleges that do play the 3-4. Perhaps, if that was the case, a move to a 3-4 team might be beneficial to him.
As for Brown, they can afford to let him go, now that White is fulfilling his potential. However, although he's had some injuries that last few years, especially last year, he's a big bruising back who averages 4.5 ypc, and you can bet he will be snatched up by another team pretty quick.
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Reports coming out of Tennessee suggest that Norm Chow has been fired as Offensive Coordinator. Did the Titans offense really suck that badly? I mean, they got into the playoffs, right? Why would Fisher want rid of Chow?
Also, does Mike Martz get a shot at coaching Vince Young? The results of that might be fun to watch!
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QUOTE (cjs206 @ Jan 15 2008, 2:37:53 PM)
Reports coming out of Tennessee suggest that Norm Chow has been fired as Offensive Coordinator. Did the Titans offense really suck that badly? I mean, they got into the playoffs, right? Why would Fisher want rid of Chow?
Also, does Mike Martz get a shot at coaching Vince Young? The results of that might be fun to watch!
First off, I highly doubt a coach of Fisher's status would hire a coach like Martz, and the circus atmosphere that seems to manifest itself wherever he goes. Fisher, is all business, and Martz is all razzmatazz.
Secondly, I have always doubted Young's QB skills. Chow is a proven mentor of QBs. Young's failure to develop may also be attributed to the ability of his receivers too, or lack thereof. Still, he's more like Mike Vick than not. Great athlete with borderline QB skills...perhaps those Wonderlic scores do mean something.
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The Redskins on Monday officially asked the Titans for permission to speak to assistant coach Sherman Smith about their offensive coordinator's position.
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Think any trade offers may float in from Viking Valhalla?
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VY didn't look too hot in the HOF game. He might need a fresh start.
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I'm actually wondering if perhaps the Titans wouldn't have a better record, and maybe a playoff shot had they made this move two weeks earlier. I have never been a big VY fan, but it does appear like he's taken advantage of his time on the bench and studied hard in order to take advantage of his chance when that time came. The results right now seem to indicate he can win, especially with maybe (apologies to Vikings and AP fans) perhaps the best RB in the game right now.
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. Anybody think this is a good decision?
