bobstoops
Nov 2 2004, 8:31:22 AM
I know its not as good as having a vote in the ap or coaches poll, or even the Heisman, but you still gotta do it.
I really enjoyed listening to the presidential candidates on ESPN talking sports....not really, I ll be glad when it is Nov 3. No more of these ignorant commercials, no more phone calls to my house...
Is it just me or has every candidate for office local or national been just a little nasty this year. Here in Oklahoma, it has just been ridiculous. One candidate here running for US Senate said the opposition, who is a doctor, was sterilizing young girls without the girls parents permission. It has gone on and on and on til I m hoping their is a third candidate on the ballot where i dont have to vote for either one.
Is that what elections have come to? We get so sick and tired of the mainstream candidates that we look to a third and pretty much throw our vote away? That is what I do every year because both sides of the mainstream lie and cheat so much I feel compelled to vote, yet cant manage to vote either Dem or Rep.
I do know this: They need some serious mandatory deductions in campaign spending. Millions and Millions of dollars go wasted every year. How bout putting that money to some good use with people who need it instead of this election process which is no more than a big Barnum and Bailey Circus.
Where is Ross Perot when you need him?
draftguru
Nov 2 2004, 10:58:03 AM
Speaking of the election is there anyone that can watch the MAC game tonight on ESPN2. Since I go to GW the number 1 political school in the nation you can readily assume what all of our tvs will be watching tonight as well as the VCRs. This is an important game in that conferences evaluation so if someone could please watch it tonight or tape it and watch it another night that would be fantastic. I am a strong believer in 2 things that every american should do on a regular basis. They should vote and give blood. I am only 18 and I have given blood 6 times and of course this is my first time voting. Both extremely good things to make a huge part of your life.
PatriotofMaine
Nov 2 2004, 11:38:49 AM
Andrew,
I'll tape it.
Asteinebach
Nov 2 2004, 11:53:55 AM
Hey guys, I voted this morning. Let me just say first that last spring I helped out on the Nader campaign trail. But I'm realistic in his chances of actually winning the election. So I voted for Kerry. I wish that a third party candidate could be a serious one, but I know that we, as a country, are still a few years off from realizing that they are the most unbiased candidates. While I don't share Steve's opinion about the "lesser of two evils," I do understand that it is time for change. Little by little I hope we can move towards a true democracy where we can put a valid vote towards more than just the same old two parties. Change has to move slowly when it's such a significant one. We have to start small, and slowly move towards better candidates. Kerry is a change, and one for the better, I believe.
draftguru
Nov 2 2004, 1:24:37 PM
Hey at least you guys don't have to live next to the idiot. I fully respect the opinion that it does not matter whether one is the leser of two evils thus voting for a third party canidate but I took the approach that the most important thing was getting that man out of the white house. Obviously I based my vote on who I felt most supported what I believed in but I also took into consideration what canidate had the best shot at removing Bush from office. However I only wish my vote could count for something. I voted in Massachusetts by absentee ballot because I felt it better represented me as opposed to registering here in DC. Because for the national elections my vote didn't matter as both Massachusetts and DC are going heavily for Kerry but by voting in my local elections I would be able to have my vote count for something. The political system in this country is so screwed up it is not even funny. The electoral college takes the vote away from thousands of Americans and puts it all in the hands of Floridians, Ohioians, and other battle state residents. This is what is causing the fall in turnout to polls because people know for a fact their vote doesn't matter. Then of course there is the great primary system that again takes the vote out of many states hands and puts all the power in places like New Hampshire and Iowa where they decide what canidates the rest of the country can vote for. Ridiculous is the only way to describe it.
draftguru
Nov 2 2004, 1:24:59 PM
QUOTE(mepatriot @ Nov 2 2004, 12:38 PM)
Andrew,
I'll tape it.
Thanks a ton Steve.
PatriotofMaine
Nov 2 2004, 1:37:19 PM
I'm not arguing with you, Adam, but IMO both major candidates are controlled by the same puppet masters. I agree with most of your post though. At least you voted for something different than this despicable phony "Christian" who is only President now because he happened to be the son of a Trilateral Commission member.
Asteinebach
Nov 2 2004, 2:10:51 PM
Yeah. I hate Bush too.
bobstoops
Nov 2 2004, 7:34:58 PM
Thank you Steve for the phony christian thing. As a Christian, the right wingers are constantly down your throat saying if you dont vote for Bush, your voting for the devil. Well that then causes me to ask these religious morons" Why wasnt he fighting for all these supposed good causes before he was president or running?"
Asteinebach
Nov 2 2004, 7:39:01 PM
MSNBC is reporting Bush in the lead 34-3 in the electoral vote right now. No big deal yet, as less than 1% of all presincts have reported. Only four states have been accounted for.
Asteinebach
Nov 2 2004, 8:46:44 PM
Bush 102, Kerry 77
draftguru
Nov 2 2004, 11:06:52 PM
QUOTE(Bigmike2 @ Nov 2 2004, 11:59 PM)
Lets go bush. As it looks now he will win.
How can you say that?
Bigmike2
Nov 2 2004, 11:10:10 PM
Just add up the numbers and you will see and the states that they will win
draftguru
Nov 3 2004, 12:40:35 AM
Everything depends on Ohio and the Great Lake States. If Bush wins any of these states: Ohio, Michigan, Minnesota, or Wisconsin then Kerry is done. However if Kerry wins those then Bush loses.
Bigmike2
Nov 3 2004, 1:07:00 AM
Fox News,CNN are calling Ohio for Bush. It may be over.
draftguru
Nov 3 2004, 2:13:30 AM
CNN has not called Ohio yet I don't know where you are getting that. However I am quite comfortable in the assumption that George Bush has been re-elected and our country is now ****ed. Not only do the Republicans have the Presidency they have the senate and the house not to mention how the whole Supreme court will be conservative. The one thing I am proudest about being from Massachusetts is that we are the only state in the nation that allows gay marriage. To those idiots that say gay marriage will lead to the downfall of America I ask you how you can think the death of innocent young Americans in a foreign land, the witholding of funds to help save lives, and the loss of personal liberties are better than letting two gay people that love eachother get married. May the real fall of America now begin.
yisman
Nov 3 2004, 8:26:13 AM
QUOTE(draftguru @ Nov 2 2004, 01:24 PM)
This is what is causing the fall in turnout to polls because people know for a fact their vote doesn't matter.
I don't like the electoral college either, but what you said makes no sense. There were record turnouts in many states. Bush got more votes than any president, ever.
draftguru
Nov 3 2004, 9:15:46 AM
As Bush proved in the last election the popular vote does not matter. If I had voted for Bush in Massachusetts my vote would have been uterly wasted. Just as my vote for Kerry was pretty useless considering there was no doubt in anyone's mind that Kerry was going to win. So if you don't care that much about politics why should you make an effort to vote when your state was decided for years ago. It makes no sense.
Asteinebach
Nov 3 2004, 12:25:50 PM
Guys, if Bush does end up taking it home...I'm moving to Canada. Then possibley to Europe. And unless the have DSL in Newfundland, I won't be writing anymore.
draftguru
Nov 3 2004, 12:40:23 PM
QUOTE(#1Lionsfan @ Nov 3 2004, 01:25 PM)
Guys, if Bush does end up taking it home...I'm moving to Canada. Then possibley to Europe. And unless the have DSL in Newfundland, I won't be writing anymore.
I am going to finish up my education first and then I am taking off too. Most likely to an Asian country or a country in Western Europe. Hopefully somewhere where the ******* Bible is not how people vote. Religion the biggest killer in the history of mankind screws us over again.
Asteinebach
Nov 3 2004, 12:42:28 PM
Karl Marx says:
"Religion is the opiate of the masses."
Asteinebach
Nov 3 2004, 12:51:23 PM
I think the scariest thing probably is the fact that the Republicans now control not only the Executive branch(presidential office), but also the Judicial(Supreme Court), and Legislative(House and Senate). This is scary to me not because the Republicans have control, it's because ANYONE has total control of our government. I would be honestly just as scared if democrats ruled the way the republicans now do. It's just a different type of scared. I'm scared for our young people who may now realistically be FORCED to die overseas.
draftguru
Nov 3 2004, 1:02:31 PM
The thing that absolutely blows my mind is that people in the middle of the country in tiny little rural towns are more afraid of terrorists than those people living in New York and DC. I live 2 blocks from the White House, World Bank headquarters is right outside my window and on the other side of that is the headquarters of the IMF(International Monetary Fund) and I have never been afraid of terrorists. It just blows my mind that people are. I JUST DON"T UNDERSTAND. The wort part about this election is that it has turned so many young people off of politics. All of my friends(almost all in college) are totally turned off of politics right now and are very fearful of our future. Seriously is that something that should be felt after an election. You should have heard the hatred as a Presidential motorcade drove by last night. People wanted to throw things at it and people were screaming at the top of their lungs out windows in the street and everywhere they could their hatred for the man. Is that something that should be felt by young people in America. Right now I hate this country. I can't take all of this conservative bull**** and their unamerican policies. This was one of the most important elections in quite some time and will have a huge affect on the future of this country and the young people of America are afraid of the future. How freaking wrong is that?
Asteinebach
Nov 3 2004, 2:43:12 PM
I know Andrew, and I agree. I heard someone say that the main thing that they worried about is that if Kerry is elected, we'd be apt to another terrorist attack. Which raises two points with me.
1) How is BUSH going to stop a terrorist attack? If someone hi-jacks a plane, we're screwed anyway.
2) People Die? Really? I didn't realize that as American's we are entitled to live forever. Look, attacks and attacking are a part of the world we live in. Face it, if you want to keep doing politics in this way, innocent people ARE GOING TO DIE!
George Bush's entire campaign was centered around a basis of fear. He and his Washington D.C. cohorts were responsible to for spending the last 4 years creating a "Fear" of everything. And making our citizens here in the States believe that we have no allies and that we are alone. Therefore excessive military action is needed to give the impression to the rest of the world that you, "shouldn't mess with us." When it's the exact opposite. We do have allies, but we are quickly losing them due to the way that we look at foreign policy. The President of Laos was quoted yesterday as saying, "Despite the outcome of the election, nothing will change execpt style." If that gives you any indication of how a totally independent and uninvolved nation feels of our foul play.
yisman
Nov 3 2004, 5:42:09 PM
"So if you don't care that much about politics why should you make an effort to vote when your state was decided for years ago. It makes no sense."
Dunno. I voted, and I live in NY.
People voted in this election. Record turnouts. What you said does not make sense. I'm sure there are people who stay home or whatever, but keep in mind that turnout this year....
boeing747fp
Nov 3 2004, 5:58:53 PM
well, i say Bush is right... whenever something happens like September 11th, everyone wants better security... just because you're not scared, doesnt mean it wont happen again. Kerry is a jackass and you know it.
yisman
Nov 3 2004, 5:58:57 PM
About 60% of registered voters voted. That's the highest number since 1968.
And I'd like to second the notion that Kerry is a jackass. I didn't like either candidate, but we'd really be up the creek without a paddle if Kerry got elected. He'd probably sell out on a number of issues under pressure from other countries.
boeing747fp
Nov 3 2004, 6:06:26 PM
you have to look at these facts--->many many many many democrats voted for George W Bush because Kerry just does not make sense half the time.
boeing747fp
Nov 3 2004, 6:48:39 PM
yea and he wanted to use our national oil reserves to get gas prices down instead of saving it for emergency-only like Bush is... that was announced on the CBS News when they talked about how gas prices have gone down in the past 2 days
BreadSlicer
Nov 30 2004, 11:42:40 PM
Wow...why did I have to click on this thread?
Well at least all you Bush haters will have four more years to blame Dubya for all the world's evils right?
Give me a break...
PatriotofMaine
Dec 1 2004, 8:03:09 AM
I blame ALLl the members of these secret societies like Skull & Bones which BOTH Kerry and Bush are memebers of. Geez...haven't you guys seen the movie "Skulls" yet?
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