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COLTSFAN21
ANANY OTHER COLTS FANS ?
gpngc
I like the Colts, but they aren't my team, no. I'll gladly discuss them with you though.

You need another WR so Dallas Clark can play TE!
revxholyflame
Utecht offers enough at TE that Clark can play more of a dual role like Shockey. Plus, I actually like Clark in the slot he offers a heck of a lot more than Stokley ever could. And, Clark's strengths are in catching not blocking. Utecht is a more balanced TE which makes him the better old-school TE.

I know the Colts will draft a WR but it's a question of where rather than when. I think with Peyton around for a few more years it won't matter but still. So, I'm actually guessing later in rounds 5-7. Especially since Harrison will be around for another year at least.

The real question for me is where and who will the Colts draft as Rhodes replacement. Honestly I have a pretty short list of guys I want to see replace him. 1 Brian Leonard. I think that he is the most prepared out of all the guys to take over for Rhodes. Good hands, decent blocking, etc. 2. Tony Hunt. good blocking skills and hands are okay. The only two things that seem to matter for Colts running backs. 3. Nate Ilaoa. Agressive running style, amazing hands, and great YPC. Just really not a fan of his speed. Could be an interesting prospect to just line up in the backfield in a two back set motion him out into the slot for coverage issues. More of a fullback with a wide receiver mentality in my opinion. Each of these guys have versatility. I think giving Peyton more than a prototypical back will help for a return to the Superbowl more than your average back. It's quirks that make systems great not the prototypical backfield, main example. . . sad to say. . . New England.

Defense, linebacker core is my biggest concern. I think with all the guys in this draft it is hard to find the true guys that can fit the system. Hence why I like Stephen Nicholas to replace Rob Morris and Korey Hall to play MLB over Gary Brackett. He's slower but is great in coverage since he played in the pass happy WAC picking off 8 last year and six the year before. That is the perfect Cover 2 line backer right there. Then sign Cameron Siskowic as an undrafted free agent to contend with Freddy Keiaho. The only other area of possible concern on Defense is is DT where any number of guys could fit well: Jay Alford, Derek Landri, Joe Anoai.

Other than that I only have three other guys I would love to see wearing the Horseshoe. They are Steve Vallos from Wake (Very productive as a Left OT against some good DEs) and Toby Korrodi (southpaw with an amazing arm) which will never happen but here's hoping, and John Talley from Duke (perfect Cover 2 CB in my opinion as he WILL, mark my words, make QBs question throwing to receivers in his general area in the first seven yards).
COLTSFAN21
QUOTE(revxholyflame @ Mar 25 2007, 11:59:38 PM) [snapback]82995[/snapback]
Utecht offers enough at TE that Clark can play more of a dual role like Shockey. Plus, I actually like Clark in the slot he offers a heck of a lot more than Stokley ever could. And, Clark's strengths are in catching not blocking. Utecht is a more balanced TE which makes him the better old-school TE.

I know the Colts will draft a WR but it's a question of where rather than when. I think with Peyton around for a few more years it won't matter but still. So, I'm actually guessing later in rounds 5-7. Especially since Harrison will be around for another year at least.

The real question for me is where and who will the Colts draft as Rhodes replacement. Honestly I have a pretty short list of guys I want to see replace him. 1 Brian Leonard. I think that he is the most prepared out of all the guys to take over for Rhodes. Good hands, decent blocking, etc. 2. Tony Hunt. good blocking skills and hands are okay. The only two things that seem to matter for Colts running backs. 3. Nate Ilaoa. Agressive running style, amazing hands, and great YPC. Just really not a fan of his speed. Could be an interesting prospect to just line up in the backfield in a two back set motion him out into the slot for coverage issues. More of a fullback with a wide receiver mentality in my opinion. Each of these guys have versatility. I think giving Peyton more than a prototypical back will help for a return to the Superbowl more than your average back. It's quirks that make systems great not the prototypical backfield, main example. . . sad to say. . . New England.

Defense, linebacker core is my biggest concern. I think with all the guys in this draft it is hard to find the true guys that can fit the system. Hence why I like Stephen Nicholas to replace Rob Morris and Korey Hall to play MLB over Gary Brackett. He's slower but is great in coverage since he played in the pass happy WAC picking off 8 last year and six the year before. That is the perfect Cover 2 line backer right there. Then sign Cameron Siskowic as an undrafted free agent to contend with Freddy Keiaho. The only other area of possible concern on Defense is is DT where any number of guys could fit well: Jay Alford, Derek Landri, Joe Anoai.

Other than that I only have three other guys I would love to see wearing the Horseshoe. They are Steve Vallos from Wake (Very productive as a Left OT against some good DEs) and Toby Korrodi (southpaw with an amazing arm) which will never happen but here's hoping, and John Talley from Duke (perfect Cover 2 CB in my opinion as he WILL, mark my words, make QBs question throwing to receivers in his general area in the first seven yards).


look for rory johnson and Jwaun Simpson in the draft at olb they are both quick and athletic their downfall is their size.......just like everyother colts lb
revxholyflame
Simpson is quite athletic but certainly lacks the character which matters more than the athletics. I like Simpson, but his character causes to many concerns for me.

If he is there in the third, I would gladly take Johnson. A little raw but given time to develop would be amazing.
nyyjones
Glenn to retire? If this is true, this is a huge loss, and will definitely affect their chances to repeat.

Link:

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti.../707210304/1100
unumsanctum
go colts?
gpngc
Peyton needs better stats for my Fantasy team.... 6 picks isn't cutting it...
unumsanctum
The colts will beat the pats come playoff time

packfan36450
QUOTE (unumsanctum @ Dec 7 2007, 1:08:36 PM) *
The colts will beat the pats come playoff time


LOL.
PackersPwnage
Nobody has a chance to beat the Pats in the AFC. There r 2 teams that would have a chance in the NFC, IMO. I think u could guess which teams I'm thinking of.
packfan36450
QUOTE (PackersPwnage @ Dec 21 2007, 12:32:56 PM) *
Nobody has a chance to beat the Pats in the AFC. There r 2 teams that would have a chance in the NFC, IMO. I think u could guess which teams I'm thinking of.


the pack and cowboys ha? not if jessica keeps showing up to tony homo's games. but i think the jaguars have a good chance. they dont turn it over and run the ball extremely well. also they're solid on defense.
PackersPwnage
The Jaguars don't have a good enough offense to beat the Pats. I think it'll take a high-powered, aggressive offense to beat the Pats.
packfan36450
QUOTE (PackersPwnage @ Dec 22 2007, 1:26:11 PM) *
The Jaguars don't have a good enough offense to beat the Pats. I think it'll take a high-powered, aggressive offense to beat the Pats.


no way! the ravens should have beat them and their offense sucks. the eagles offense isn't that explosive but they do have westbrook. the cowboys and colts in that order probably have the best offenses besides the pats of course and they didnt have a chance. well the colts suck and just blew it but they wont beat the pats in foxboro in the cold. manning's a sissy
PackersPwnage
QUOTE (packfan36450 @ Dec 22 2007, 8:45:58 PM) *
no way! the ravens should have beat them and their offense sucks. the eagles offense isn't that explosive but they do have westbrook. the cowboys and colts in that order probably have the best offenses besides the pats of course and they didnt have a chance. well the colts suck and just blew it but they wont beat the pats in foxboro in the cold. manning's a sissy

But the Ravens and the Eagles were extremely motivated, especially the Ravens. It'll take even more motivation, which won't come out of ne other team in my opinion.
packfan36450
QUOTE (PackersPwnage @ Dec 23 2007, 11:46:16 AM) *
But the Ravens and the Eagles were extremely motivated, especially the Ravens. It'll take even more motivation, which won't come out of ne other team in my opinion.


i think playing in the playoffs and trying to make it to the super bowl is enough motivation to get a team pumped
PackersPwnage
QUOTE (packfan36450 @ Dec 23 2007, 10:43:35 AM) *
i think playing in the playoffs and trying to make it to the super bowl is enough motivation to get a team pumped

Lol, yeah, but not as motivated as a bunch of former Miami players after the death of Sean Taylor, on national TV, and Ray Lewis pumping them up.
unumsanctum
QUOTE (packfan36450 @ Dec 22 2007, 10:45:58 PM) *
no way! the ravens should have beat them and their offense sucks. the eagles offense isn't that explosive but they do have westbrook. the cowboys and colts in that order probably have the best offenses besides the pats of course and they didnt have a chance. well the colts suck and just blew it but they wont beat the pats in foxboro in the cold. manning's a sissy


That might have been the most ill-informed comment ever.

packfan36450
QUOTE (unumsanctum @ Dec 27 2007, 10:25:40 PM) *
That might have been the most ill-informed comment ever.


youre an idiot! why is that ill-informed?? you always have to argue with waht i say. i wasnt even directing it towards you so no need for your comment on what i say. thank you
packfan36450
but i see why your mad, the colts suck and wont make it pass the patriots! thats just too bad. maybe peyton and bobby sanders can fly out to tempe and watch the pack beat the patriots!! haha
bwalker
QUOTE (packfan36450 @ Dec 28 2007, 12:39:06 PM) *
youre an idiot! why is that ill-informed?? you always have to argue with waht i say. i wasnt even directing it towards you so no need for your comment on what i say. thank you



Guys,

Please stop with the name calling. I realize you guys don't like each other from the IMD or something. Having said that, you don't have to like each other, but please stop the name calling and personal attacks.

It's OK to have different opinions.
packfan36450
QUOTE (bwalker @ Dec 28 2007, 12:18:32 PM) *
Guys,

Please stop with the name calling. I realize you guys don't like each other from the IMD or something. Having said that, you don't have to like each other, but please stop the name calling and personnel attacks.

It's OK to have different opinions.


OK I apologize bwalker. ill try to control what i say from now on.
bwalker
QUOTE (packfan36450 @ Dec 28 2007, 1:20:34 PM) *
OK I apologize bwalker. ill try to control what i say from now on.



Thank you!
nyyjones
Chris Mortensen, of ESPN, has reported the Colts have resigned S Bob Sanders to a five-year, $37.5 million contract with $20 million guaranteed. This makes him the games highest paid S. I think Sanders is a good player, but I think this is a huge gamble, at least the $20 mil guarantee, as Sanders is a very small safety, and has already proven to be injury prone.
gpngc
QUOTE (nyyjones @ Dec 28 2007, 4:57:52 PM) *
Chris Mortensen, of ESPN, has reported the Colts have resigned S Bob Sanders to a five-year, $37.5 million contract with $20 million guaranteed. This makes him the games highest paid S. I think Sanders is a good player, but I think this is a huge gamble, at least the $20 mil guarantee, as Sanders is a very small safety, and has already proven to be injury prone.


I like the move. When he's on the field, he's as dominant a defensive player there is in the league. Injuries are inevitable in the NFL, and they can happen to anyone.
nyyjones
No doubt that he's a difference maker when he's in, gpngc, and I understand injuries can happen to anyone, at anytime. However, Sanders has averaged less than 10 games a year in his 4 years, and the hits aren't going to go away. I really like him, and understand the Colts wanting to get him under contract. The contract amount doesn't bother me, the only thing that bothers me, if I'm the GM, is the guaranteed monies. If something unfortunate were to happen, they would have a lot of dead cap money sitting around, or have to take a big hit for one of the years.
PackersPwnage
The thing I hate is how the money involved in contracts keep going up and up, with players using other players' contracts to their advantage. But hey, that's just how the industry works. The teams pay the players more, so they make up for it by charging the fans more.
unumsanctum
QUOTE (nyyjones @ Dec 28 2007, 3:57:52 PM) *
Chris Mortensen, of ESPN, has reported the Colts have resigned S Bob Sanders to a five-year, $37.5 million contract with $20 million guaranteed. This makes him the games highest paid S. I think Sanders is a good player, but I think this is a huge gamble, at least the $20 mil guarantee, as Sanders is a very small safety, and has already proven to be injury prone.

Best deal ever made. Wow, this is cheap. He is very good.
packfan36450
We neve agree, but Sanders is probably the best Safety in the game. Although he doesn't play every game he is still intimidating and teams have to change their whole gameplans. But I wouldn't call this the best deal ever ha, but it's a good one for the colts
unumsanctum
QUOTE (packfan36450 @ Dec 28 2007, 11:40:14 AM) *
but i see why your mad, the colts suck and wont make it pass the patriots! thats just too bad. maybe peyton and bobby sanders can fly out to tempe and watch the pack beat the patriots!! haha

Wow, I am pretty sure that everyone here agrees that the Colts are better than the Packers. If you can't realize that I am sorry, especially if it causes you so much trouble.
packfan36450
QUOTE (unumsanctum @ Dec 29 2007, 2:32:02 PM) *
Wow, I am pretty sure that everyone here agrees that the Colts are better than the Packers. If you can't realize that I am sorry, especially if it causes you so much trouble.


HAHAH where'd taht come from, that post was liek along time ago. and I know the Colts are better, I'm not arguing with that. And i never said the Packers were better. They are just in an easier conference and have a better chance of making the superbowl cuz the colts will have to go through the pats. But, I would say the pack are better on defense wink.gif
PackersPwnage
QUOTE (unumsanctum @ Dec 29 2007, 12:32:02 PM) *
Wow, I am pretty sure that everyone here agrees that the Colts are better than the Packers. If you can't realize that I am sorry, especially if it causes you so much trouble.

I don't agree. sad.gif
packfan36450
QUOTE (PackersPwnage @ Dec 31 2007, 7:07:37 AM) *
I don't agree. sad.gif


HAHA well if i don't agree with him he'll have a fit. But I believe the packers have a better defense with the exception of safties. I think Kampman is better than the overrated, 6'1 Dwight Freeney. Hawk and Barnett are ten times better than uhh i dont even know who plays linebacker for them. Keaho and Brackett? And Woodson and Harris, well that's the best duo in the league.
PackersPwnage
QUOTE (packfan36450 @ Dec 31 2007, 10:02:31 AM) *
HAHA well if i don't agree with him he'll have a fit. But I believe the packers have a better defense with the exception of safties. I think Kampman is better than the overrated, 6'1 Dwight Freeney. Hawk and Barnett are ten times better than uhh i dont even know who plays linebacker for them. Keaho and Brackett? And Woodson and Harris, well that's the best duo in the league.

The Packers D is way better. Let's go over that matchup in detail:

D-Line: Packers have Kampman, KGB, and a huge assortment of solid DTs. Indy has a very good one in Freeney, but the rest of their D-Line is crap.
Advantage: Green Bay

LBs: Packers have Hawk and Barnett, two very good LBs, both of who will make the pro bowl in the very near future. The Colts have trash.
Big advantage: Green Bay

Safeties: Packers have Bigbie and Rouse. Safety is the worst area of GBs defense, while it's the strongest area of Indy's due to Sanders.
Advantage: Indy

CBs: Packers have the dynamic duo of CBs. End of story.
Huge advantage: Green Bay

Overall advantage: Green Bay, big
packfan36450
QUOTE (PackersPwnage @ Dec 31 2007, 12:47:06 PM) *
The Packers D is way better. Let's go over that matchup in detail:

D-Line: Packers have Kampman, KGB, and a huge assortment of solid DTs. Indy has a very good one in Freeney, but the rest of their D-Line is crap.
Advantage: Green Bay

LBs: Packers have Hawk and Barnett, two very good LBs, both of who will make the pro bowl in the very near future. The Colts have trash.
Big advantage: Green Bay

Safeties: Packers have Bigbie and Rouse. Safety is the worst area of GBs defense, while it's the strongest area of Indy's due to Sanders.
Advantage: Indy

CBs: Packers have the dynamic duo of CBs. End of story.
Huge advantage: Green Bay

Overall advantage: Green Bay, big


that's pretty much what i said. but the colts de does have robert mathis who is good too.
PackersPwnage
QUOTE (packfan36450 @ Dec 31 2007, 11:20:18 AM) *
that's pretty much what i said. but the colts de does have robert mathis who is good too.

Yeah, I forgot to mention him. But he does have a minor knee injury heading into the playoffs.
unumsanctum
I think it is amazing the colts went 13-3 with all the injuries
Harrison
Freeney
Addai
Gonzales
Diem
Ugoh
Mathis
McFarland
Brock
Morris
Keiaho
Sanders
Bathea

All these key players and starters missed at least one game!
nyyjones
QUOTE (unumsanctum @ Jan 6 2008, 11:18:23 PM) *
I think it is amazing the colts went 13-3 with all the injuries
Harrison
Freeney
Addai
Gonzales
Diem
Ugoh
Mathis
McFarland
Brock
Morris
Keiaho
Sanders
Bathea

All these key players and starters missed at least one game!

It's called depth...and every team presently in the playoffs had a similar role call. That's why they're in the playoffs, because when a starter goes down, they have a replacement who holds his own, and in some cases, ends up being as good as, or even better than the injured starter was.
revxholyflame
I don't think you can attribute marketability as a better defense. Don't get me wrong, I love Hawk and Kampmann but the fact remains that the Colts are a much better built organization on defense. Name any other team in the league that has lost as many defensive players as the Colts and succeeded. The Colts defense is a revolving door more or less. I'ld love any other organization to try that and see were they end up.

Also don't think you can compare this year to any other. For how many years have the Packers been a bad defensive team? The Colts, on average have had more players walk to free agency - especially on the defensive side of the ball - than almost any other team in the league. You have to remember, all most half of the highly touted Titans defense is former Colts players. I think this really just testifies to the capabilities of Bill Polian as the GM and team President. He simply understands what is necessary to maintain a functioning and respectable.

One other note. When you look at the interceptions by team the Colts actually exceed the Packers. But you may try to point out that majority of these interceptions are by Safeties and Linebackers which is true. But this is a natural part of the Colts Cover 2 System. Receivers are rerouted, after being jammed, to the inside where a linebacker makes a jump on the ball. You really can't compare corners because the system is vastly different. Instead of letting our corners run like you doin gGB, we keep them in a five to fifteen yard box from the LOS.

I'll admit the DT play has not been the best for the Colts but it is certainly better. And as I said before, marketability of a prospect is no reason to say that another player is better. I don't think anyone would claim that Ray Lewis was better than Patrick Willis this year but Lewis is still the more recognizable name. So to some up my point, name and round selected in ≠ capability to play better than another player.
revxholyflame
One more thing. If you really think Freeney is washed up, why does he demand double and sometimes even triple teams? Have you ever asked yourself why some teams have great DE combos? It's because after awhile, teams start to over compensate for one DE. This gives the other a one on one matchup, and as long as he can beat his man, presto he starts to look like the sack machine.

The moral of the story boys and girls is don't assume that DE who don't put up stats after years of putting them up are useless. Teams are just over compensating for a force.

Also just for the record, I would definatley take Gary Brackett of Nick Barnett
unumsanctum
QUOTE (nyyjones @ Jan 7 2008, 3:59:19 AM) *
It's called depth...and every team presently in the playoffs had a similar role call. That's why they're in the playoffs, because when a starter goes down, they have a replacement who holds his own, and in some cases, ends up being as good as, or even better than the injured starter was.


I know what depth is, I am not stupid. But, you give me one team who had that many starters go down.
unumsanctum
Ok, so what do you guys think the Colts need to address come draft time?
They have very good depth on D but it is on O where the depth is needed.
The only position where I think a starter upgrade is needed is Slb.
So, here is my opinion.

1. Og
2. Slb
3. De
4. Ot
5. C
packfan36450
QUOTE (revxholyflame @ Jan 7 2008, 4:35:46 AM) *
One more thing. If you really think Freeney is washed up, why does he demand double and sometimes even triple teams? Have you ever asked yourself why some teams have great DE combos? It's because after awhile, teams start to over compensate for one DE. This gives the other a one on one matchup, and as long as he can beat his man, presto he starts to look like the sack machine.

The moral of the story boys and girls is don't assume that DE who don't put up stats after years of putting them up are useless. Teams are just over compensating for a force.

Also just for the record, I would definatley take Gary Brackett of Nick Barnett


wow i hope your not ever a gm of the packers, but hopefully the bears. then the pack would win the division every year
packfan36450
and didnt the colts trade for ugoh last year and already have a solid o line? i dont see why they would need ot, c, and og. how about a DT. Maybe a better corner and a linebacker even tho keaho is playing good.
unumsanctum
QUOTE (packfan36450 @ Jan 7 2008, 4:26:32 PM) *
and didnt the colts trade for ugoh last year and already have a solid o line? i dont see why they would need ot, c, and og. how about a DT. Maybe a better corner and a linebacker even tho keaho is playing good.


At corner they are set for a while b/c Jackson and Hayden were very very good this year and both are young then they have Tim Jennings and Damieon Hughes to back them up. Their pass D was top 3 in the league. Yes they do need a lb but it is not for Keiaho who has played very well, it is for Rob Morris at Slb, but they never draft lb's high but they always find good ones later in the draft, Cato June, Marcus Washington, Mike Peterson. And at dt they are also set. The have Bogger McFarland for a couple more years then then just got Ed Johnson who had 41 tackles at Dt as a rookie. They also have Raheem Brock and Quinn Pitcock. But on the line they have a quality starting core but nothing after that. Saturday is 33 so they need a future center. Lilja and Scott are both free agents and they only have one backup dylan Gandy. And diem and Ugoh could use a quality backup b/c charlie johnson is the only one they have.
PackersPwnage
QUOTE (revxholyflame @ Jan 7 2008, 2:35:46 AM) *
Also just for the record, I would definatley take Gary Brackett of Nick Barnett

Lol! Ur a funny guy!
packfan36450
QUOTE (PackersPwnage @ Jan 7 2008, 9:15:13 PM) *
Lol! Ur a funny guy!


I know i hope that guy was kidding. Even a colts fan would admit barnett is better.
PackersPwnage
QUOTE (packfan36450 @ Jan 7 2008, 7:33:54 PM) *
I know i hope that guy was kidding. Even a colts fan would admit barnett is better.

Lol, I don't think he was kiddin.
unumsanctum
Bob Sanders is named DPY, any thoughts?
For one, I think it is well deserving. He was the leader of a D that was in top 3 in most categories. And, ironicly, the D outperformed the O this year!
PackersPwnage
Should've been Woodson. wink.gif
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