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gpngc
No one seems to be stepping up this year. There is still a lot of football left to played, but I don't even think there is a front-runner.

Andre Woodson could really help himself with a big game at home against LSU.

Darren McFadden could win it, but he has two touchdowns so far this year.

Is Matt Ryan really the favorite to win the Heisman at this point? Who would've thought that!?

I can't wait to see what happens.

What does everyone else think?
bcdrama
QUOTE(gpngc @ Oct 9 2007, 9:00:42 PM) *
No one seems to be stepping up this year. There is still a lot of football left to played, but I don't even think there is a front-runner.

Andre Woodson could really help himself with a big game at home against LSU.

Darren McFadden could win it, but he has two touchdowns so far this year.

Is Matt Ryan really the favorite to win the Heisman at this point? Who would've thought that!?

I can't wait to see what happens.

What does everyone else think?

It's a 6 Horse race with 3 former frontrunners: Slaton, Rice, and Hart 6,5 and 4, Woodson or McFadden need to run the table or Jackson could if Cal runs the table. Ryan still has not had a HEISMAN moment in a big TV game.
PatriotofMaine
QUOTE(gpngc @ Oct 9 2007, 5:00:42 PM) *
No one seems to be stepping up this year. There is still a lot of football left to played, but I don't even think there is a front-runner.

Andre Woodson could really help himself with a big game at home against LSU.

Darren McFadden could win it, but he has two touchdowns so far this year.

Is Matt Ryan really the favorite to win the Heisman at this point? Who would've thought that!?

I can't wait to see what happens.

What does everyone else think?



Watch out for Ben Mauk at UC. I know that may sound nuts right now...but watch him.

(P.S. Remember, the Heisman has NOTHING to do with NFL potential.)
Guest_b_rent87_*
Just give it to Glenn Dorsey and get it over with. No one is as dominant at any position as he is. Sure he might not put up great numbers and we know he will never win it but no one else deserves it bottom line. Dorsey is the best College Football player at this point and if the Heisman is suppossed to go to the best player then do it instead of flashy Offensive Stats for guys who aren't even the most dominant player in college. The Heisman is a joke and it is hardly given to the best College Football Player.
gpngc
Mauk is a good sleeper candidate but he needs Cincy to go undefeated or at least win the Big East to even get invited.

I can't believe I forgot to mention DeSean Jackson. He may be the front-runner at this point.

As for Glenn Dorsey, I agree BRent. I wouldn't mind seeing a defensive player getting some love. At least invite the guy.

But my guess is that someone will have huge numbers on a good team by the end of the year and take the trophy. Matt Ryan, Andre Woodson, Darren McFadden, or DeSean Jackson...
Broncosfan713
DeSean Jackson takes it IF Cal beats Arizona State on the road, and USC at home, AND Jackson has big games in both. Preferably carrying the team against USC, the school in which he grew up rooting for and spurned for Cal when the team leaked infortmation of his early verbal.
bobstoops
If Mizzou upsets OU, Chase Daniel definitely has to be included as well as TT wideout Michael Crabtree
bcdrama
QUOTE(bobstoops @ Oct 10 2007, 2:40:33 PM) *
If Mizzou upsets OU, Chase Daniel definitely has to be included as well as TT wideout Michael Crabtree

Chase Daniel or Michael Crabtree would need more than numbers and wins, they would need a "HEISMAN" moment in a national TV game to even get to the ceremony.
Cuderbeast
Darren McFadden deserves it and should get it, he deserved it last year. NO other player garnered more attention from opposing teams than Darren McFadden. You had to base your whole defense around him in the Wild Hog or even in tradional formations. This guy is in the same league as Barry Sanders even though they have different running styles. Have you seen McFadden Stiff arm guys? One guy had his helmet pop off! If you look close you can see McFadden has the heisman tattoo'd on his arm. If he doesn't win the heisman than everybody should be fired. Its unjust, JUST like Peyton Manning not winning it and Charles Woodson getting it... just Ludacris!

And how can you say DeSean Jackson?? hes not even leading his team in receiving.... its crazy! He had 5 receptions for 39 yards against colorado state, and 5 more for 28 yards against Louisana Tech, and 3 more for 39 yards against arizona... what kinda Heisman statistics are those! That is what i call being a NON-Factor....

Now lets look at Darren McFaddens stats..
Troy: 24 rush for 151 yards and 1 TD, 1-1 passing for 42 yards and a TD
Alabama: 33 rush for 195 yards and 2 TD..... When he was taken out is when the Hogs lost the game
#21 Kentucky: 29 rush for 173 yards and a TD, oh yea he was SICK also...
North Texas: 19 rush for 138 yards and 2 TD... All in the first Half
Chatanooga: 25 rush for 122 yards and 1 TD

PatriotofMaine
CB,

I agree. Darren SHOULD get it, and DEFINITELY deserves it. We have him rated as the #1 player in this year's draft for a reason. It really is a shame that the best player doesn't always get it. Sometimes it just goes to the QB of the national championship team...even if he is far-and-away not even among the top 300 players in the country. (I can count 4 times that has happened since 1990 alone.)
Cuderbeast
QUOTE(PatriotofMaine @ Oct 10 2007, 7:26:53 PM) *
CB,

I agree. Darren SHOULD get it, and DEFINITELY deserves it. We have him rated as the #1 player in this year's draft for a reason. It really is a shame that the best player doesn't always get it. Sometimes it just goes to the QB of the national championship team...even if he is far-and-away not even among the top 300 players in the country. (I can count 4 times that has happened since 1990 alone.)


If only WE could vote! I really dont know who else has "shown" they deserve it.. LSU has Dorsey, and USC doesn't have a QB that could get it. Maybe Bradford for Oklahoma?
bcdrama
QUOTE(Cuderbeast @ Oct 10 2007, 7:33:18 PM) *
If only WE could vote! I really dont know who else has "shown" they deserve it.. LSU has Dorsey, and USC doesn't have a QB that could get it. Maybe Bradford for Oklahoma?

DMC and Dorsey are the best players and the best prospects, it'd be nice if one of them got it!
bcdrama
QUOTE
And how can you say DeSean Jackson?? hes not even leading his team in receiving.... its crazy! He had 5 receptions for 39 yards against colorado state, and 5 more for 28 yards against Louisana Tech, and 3 more for 39 yards against arizona... what kinda Heisman statistics are those! That is what i call being a NON-Factor....

How can I say it, I don't think he should win but have you examined the stats of Johnny Lattner, Gary Beban, Johnny Rodgers, and many more, stats don't win and talent doesn't win, the definative "Heisman" moment does, Fluties hail mary, Smith's jump ball in the 4th quarter, etc. DMC does have those but he needs Arkansas to run the table.
ChrisK
QUOTE(bcdrama @ Oct 10 2007, 4:43:40 PM) *
How can I say it, I don't think he should win but have you examined the stats of Johnny Lattner, Gary Beban, Johnny Rodgers, and many more, stats don't win and talent doesn't win, the definative "Heisman" moment does, Fluties hail mary, Smith's jump ball in the 4th quarter, etc. DMC does have those but he needs Arkansas to run the table.


let s be honest, isnt this refreshing not having to discuss a player from notre dame or usc?
2nd place votes will make the difference here
it depends who does what on national tv and how big the game is
underdog gaining speed on the outside is Glenn Dorsey
PatriotofMaine
QUOTE(ChrisK @ Oct 10 2007, 7:39:45 PM) *
let s be honest, isnt this refreshing not having to discuss a player from notre dame or usc?
2nd place votes will make the difference here
it depends who does what on national tv and how big the game is
underdog gaining speed on the outside is Glenn Dorsey



Man, I wish a defensive player could breakthrough. Do you think that's a real possibility, Chris?
bobstoops
QUOTE(bcdrama @ Oct 10 2007, 10:00:05 AM) *
Chase Daniel or Michael Crabtree would need more than numbers and wins, they would need a "HEISMAN" moment in a national TV game to even get to the ceremony.



Yeah thats why I said if Daniel defeats OU in Norman. Thats a win that would get him into the discussion I think. Crabtree is putting up insane numbers right now but he would have to show out on national tv to get in the discussion
PatriotofMaine
My prediction...it will be either McFadden or a guy from whatever upstart team (USF? UC? BC?) may run the table and win the national title. Matt Ryan?
ChrisK
QUOTE (bobstoops @ Oct 10 2007, 8:24:08 PM) *
Yeah thats why I said if Daniel defeats OU in Norman. Thats a win that would get him into the discussion I think. Crabtree is putting up insane numbers right now but he would have to show out on national tv to get in the discussion


If no one from a nationally ranked team grabs enough headlines, why not Dorsey, the south vote is pretty major and I think the voters are at a point of voting this way too. As mentioned, those second place votes add up because you have to figure the first place votes in the south could be divided between Dmac and Tebow, the East with Ryan and Michael Hart, the midwest could swing a few different ways and the west should go with Booty or Jackson

Every region has at least two guys that could split the vote, and none of these guys are a guarantee first place vote

If LSU stays undefeated and the media catches on, watch out for Dorsey
Cuderbeast
I admit Dorsey is great but he will not win the heisman. Lets face it his impact is not as big as when #5 (McFadden) steps on the field. And look at Youtube, McFadden has more highlights than anybody does, he honestly should have won last year when he was just unbelieveable.. i would get goosebumps watching him. Also look into the teams, LSU has more talent than ANYBODY, McFadden is the only 5 star player on the hogs.
Cuderbeast
Cuderbeast
heisman tattoo'd on his right arm

FatMike58
bust
Bubbles
McFadden is too Hood he is another Pacman watch and see
FatMike58
I nominate Dorsey for the Hypesman Trophy.
rich
One thing that we have to consider is that many Heisman voters don't watch football games 24-7 and in some cases, are swayed by what they read and not necessarily what they see. With that said, it is my opinion that the #1 story right now is how so many top five teams have bitten the dust in recent weeks thus casting a shadow over their teams Heisman hopefuls. In addition, the front runner may have been Darren McFadden but yesterday's loss to Auburn casts a shadow over his credentials. The voters will try to uncover a story line that makes sense to them and to their vote and in addition, regional bias sometimes plays a major role in determining the Heisman winner. The western region had John David Booty, DeSean Jackson, Colt Brennan, and Jonathan Stewart. I think the only one still in contention is DeSean Jackson but wide receivers just do not win the Heisman especially if they are the #2 receiver on their team. The Southwest had Ryan Torrain, Colt McCoy, Graham Harrell, and Limas Sweed. None of these candidates are viable options any more. The Midwest had Mike Hart, Chad Henne and Chase Daniel and both Hart and Daniel remain in serious contention with name recognition going to Mike Hart as well as the story line of the rebound of Michigan after a disastrous start. They should go 1-3 in the Midwest. The South had Darren McFadden, Tim Tebow, Brian Brohm, Early Doucet, and Andre Woodson. I would have bet that the next Heisman winner would come from this region and just may as Darren McFadden and Andre Woodson should go 1-2 in this region. And finally, we have the East which had Ray Rice, Steve Slaton, Pat White and Matt Ryan. I would have to say the most compelling story in college football right now after losses by LSU and California is the undefeated Boston College Eagles. I can sneeze at their strength of schedule and how dominating their defense has been BUT they are still undefeated and MATT RYAN is the story that everyone will read and hear. So I think Matt Ryan wins the East vote convincingly (where a majority of voters cast their ballots from) and finishes #2 in the West, (behind Mike Hart) #3 in the Southwest (behind Darren McFadden and Chase Daniel) #2 in the Mid West (behind Mike Hart) and #3 in the South (behind Andre Woodson and Darren McFadden). So the second and third place votes are key to the Heisman and I think the top five will be 1) Matt Ryan, 2) Darren McFadden, 3) Mike Hart, 4) Andre Woodson, and 5) Chase Daniel. --thanks for listening--rich from newport
adavis
QUOTE (rich @ Oct 14 2007, 7:29:59 AM) *
One thing that we have to consider is that many Heisman voters don't watch football games 24-7 and in some cases, are swayed by what they read and not necessarily what they see. With that said, it is my opinion that the #1 story right now is how so many top five teams have bitten the dust in recent weeks thus casting a shadow over their teams Heisman hopefuls. In addition, the front runner may have been Darren McFadden but yesterday's loss to Auburn casts a shadow over his credentials. The voters will try to uncover a story line that makes sense to them and to their vote and in addition, regional bias sometimes plays a major role in determining the Heisman winner. The western region had John David Booty, DeSean Jackson, Colt Brennan, and Jonathan Stewart. I think the only one still in contention is DeSean Jackson but wide receivers just do not win the Heisman especially if they are the #2 receiver on their team. The Southwest had Ryan Torrain, Colt McCoy, Graham Harrell, and Limas Sweed. None of these candidates are viable options any more. The Midwest had Mike Hart, Chad Henne and Chase Daniel and both Hart and Daniel remain in serious contention with name recognition going to Mike Hart as well as the story line of the rebound of Michigan after a disastrous start. They should go 1-3 in the Midwest. The South had Darren McFadden, Tim Tebow, Brian Brohm, Early Doucet, and Andre Woodson. I would have bet that the next Heisman winner would come from this region and just may as Darren McFadden and Andre Woodson should go 1-2 in this region. And finally, we have the East which had Ray Rice, Steve Slaton, Pat White and Matt Ryan. I would have to say the most compelling story in college football right now after losses by LSU and California is the undefeated Boston College Eagles. I can sneeze at their strength of schedule and how dominating their defense has been BUT they are still undefeated and MATT RYAN is the story that everyone will read and hear. So I think Matt Ryan wins the East vote convincingly (where a majority of voters cast their ballots from) and finishes #2 in the West, (behind Mike Hart) #3 in the Southwest (behind Darren McFadden and Chase Daniel) #2 in the Mid West (behind Mike Hart) and #3 in the South (behind Andre Woodson and Darren McFadden). So the second and third place votes are key to the Heisman and I think the top five will be 1) Matt Ryan, 2) Darren McFadden, 3) Mike Hart, 4) Andre Woodson, and 5) Chase Daniel. --thanks for listening--rich from newport


Very well said. I might put Hart above McFadden at this point as well as Woodson. My rankings would be...

1) Ryan
2) Hart
3) Woodson
4) Jackson
5) Matt Grothe(he is going to be on a top 10 team and televised alot).
bcdrama
QUOTE (adavis @ Oct 14 2007, 3:50:35 PM) *
Very well said. I might put Hart above McFadden at this point as well as Woodson. My rankings would be...

1) Ryan
2) Hart
3) Woodson
4) Jackson
5) Matt Grothe(he is going to be on a top 10 team and televised alot).


Andre Woodson is going to be #1 if KU wins out
Ryan is going to keep rising but should end up around #3
Grothe #6 tops, The battle that interests me is for #2 Hart, Jackson, McFadden all have a shot. wink.gif
FatMike58
QUOTE (bcdrama @ Oct 14 2007, 2:46:24 PM) *
Andre Woodson is going to be #1 if KU wins out


Dude....UK
bcdrama
QUOTE (FatMike58 @ Oct 15 2007, 4:32:33 AM) *
Dude....UK

I know THAT! Just making sure you knew! laugh.gif
kynmike
Although I initially felt that Darren McFadden or DeSean Jackson might be the top two candidates, I have a gut feeling, barring injury, that Ray Rice will end up receiving the Heisman. However, keep an eye on Pat White.
bcdrama
QUOTE (kynmike @ Oct 16 2007, 7:15:24 AM) *
Although I initially felt that Darren McFadden or DeSean Jackson might be the top two candidates, I have a gut feeling, barring injury, that Ray Rice will end up receiving the Heisman. However, keep an eye on Pat White.

White and Rice, barring injuries to Woodson, McFadden, even Ryan, are now VERY long shots, not that they are undeserving, but Last year Rice had a better shot when the RU story was so compelling and now USF has pushed them off of the conference headlines and for White to win WVU would have to play for the National Championship, IMHO. wink.gif
Cuderbeast
McFadden is #1, nuff said!
thasavage1
Dennis Dixon is the best player in college football today. The proof is in the pudding.
PatriotofMaine
QUOTE (thasavage1 @ Nov 3 2007, 3:04:26 AM) *
Dennis Dixon is the best player in college football today. The proof is in the pudding.



...and one of the most undisciplined and least dedicated.
PackersPwnage
QUOTE (PatriotofMaine @ Nov 3 2007, 4:49:14 AM) *
...and one of the most undisciplined and least dedicated.

Dixon is clearly the heismann winner at this point. Look at the other teams in the top 10. No other team has a clear number 1 most important player, except for Missouri's Chase Daniel. As long as Oregon wins from here on out, Dixon will win it for sure. If they lose, I expect it to go to Chase Daniel or McFadden, depending on the success of Missouri.
GGI
Tim Tebow's the best player in college football. His defense have hurt his Heisman candidacy but if UF wins out and Oregon slips, it's Tebow's. He's just an unreal talent.
jwest
My picks:

1T. Glenn Dorsey
1T. Darren McFadden
3. Tim Tebow
4. Mike Hart
5. Ray Rice
GGI
Glenn Dorsey? Where was he vs. UF?

Florida was gashing LSU right through Dorsey's gaps.
FatMike58
Glen Dorsey had 2 tackles vs Kentucky. Fact.
gpngc
QUOTE (jwest @ Nov 14 2007, 10:42:56 PM) *
My picks:

1T. Glenn Dorsey
1T. Darren McFadden
3. Tim Tebow
4. Mike Hart
5. Ray Rice


It's a two horse race between Dixon and Tebow...

Dixon can win it tonight IMO...
packfan36450
it should be tebow without a doubt but it will probably go to dixon because of his teams success.. maybe if BC didnt stumble matt ryan?
bwalker
QUOTE (gpngc @ Nov 15 2007, 8:06:40 PM) *
It's a two horse race between Dixon and Tebow...

Dixon can win it tonight IMO...



Unfortunately it looks like Dixon may be toast. That knee injury didn't look good.
PackersPwnage
QUOTE (jwest @ Nov 14 2007, 7:42:56 PM) *
My picks:

1T. Glenn Dorsey
1T. Darren McFadden
3. Tim Tebow
4. Mike Hart
5. Ray Rice

Dorsey? A DT? There will never be a DT that wins the Heismann. No Dixon? The way that Oregon is getting pummeled tonight by Arizona further proves how valuable Dixon is.
gpngc
I think it goes to Tebow now as long as he plays decent and UF wins their final two...
PackersPwnage
QUOTE (gpngc @ Nov 15 2007, 8:42:54 PM) *
I think it goes to Tebow now as long as he plays decent and UF wins their final two...

They've lost 3. End of story. Tebow's definitely good, but they just have had a bad year.
GGI
QUOTE (gpngc @ Nov 15 2007, 11:42:54 PM) *
I think it goes to Tebow now as long as he plays decent and UF wins their final two...


Correct. Tebow will put up huge stats this week against FAU and take the lead with dixon's injury/Oregon's loss. Yeah, UF has 3 losses(not a bad year at all, are you kidding? They're a rebuilding team consisting of mostly FR/SO in the ultra-competitive SEC but now Oregon has two and there's no one else even close to Tebow/Dixon.
gpngc
QUOTE (GGI @ Nov 16 2007, 11:30:28 AM) *
Correct. Tebow will put up huge stats this week against FAU and take the lead with dixon's injury/Oregon's loss. Yeah, UF has 3 losses(not a bad year at all, are you kidding? They're a rebuilding team consisting of mostly FR/SO in the ultra-competitive SEC but now Oregon has two and there's no one else even close to Tebow/Dixon.


I agree. Unless Daniel or Reesing goes absolutely nuts here down the stretch (anyone on OU have monster stats under the rader- defensive player??? lol) it goes to Tebow. hell, let's just give it to Antoine Cason...
PackersPwnage
QUOTE (GGI @ Nov 16 2007, 8:30:28 AM) *
Correct. Tebow will put up huge stats this week against FAU and take the lead with dixon's injury/Oregon's loss. Yeah, UF has 3 losses(not a bad year at all, are you kidding? They're a rebuilding team consisting of mostly FR/SO in the ultra-competitive SEC but now Oregon has two and there's no one else even close to Tebow/Dixon.

For Florida, 3 losses is a bad year, considering the success at Florida recently. Oregon's loss really hurts Dixon's chances. I now see it going to either Daniel or McFadden.
butteredtoastsonic
with dixon out for the year, His Heisman shot is gone too

McFadden's out of it, Arkansas will most likely lose to LSU, and 4 losses is too many

Tebow has 3 losses, but he's a sophomore, so He is most likely out (despite the fact he deserves it)

if i voted My ballot would be

1. Colt Brennan

2. Chase daniel

3.Glenn dorsey
PackersPwnage
QUOTE (butteredtoastsonic @ Nov 17 2007, 12:20:20 PM) *
with dixon out for the year, His Heisman shot is gone too

McFadden's out of it, Arkansas will most likely lose to LSU, and 4 losses is too many

Tebow has 3 losses, but he's a sophomore, so He is most likely out (despite the fact he deserves it)

if i voted My ballot would be

1. Colt Brennan

2. Chase daniel

3.Glenn dorsey

Please don't put Dorsey in there. He's a DT. But I do agree with you that McFadden shouldn't be in there. But don't sleep on Pat White. West Virginia is #6 in the country, and White has been the key to their success.
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