Brady has been amazing with subpar offensive talents, while Manning has been incredible with great offensive talents. Now that Brady finally has good offensive talent around him, we're seeing what he can really do. 27 TD's and 2 INT's in 7 games. That's unbelievable through 7 games. Manning has 10 through 5 games. Is the tide turning in favor of Brady in this year long debate? Brady already has more rings, now he's going after the stats.

I think that Manning is still the better QB. I mean hes going to break the passing td record set by Farve. and Bradt i dont think will be able to. Manning will in the end of his career have better stats, although Brady will most likely have more rings.

If you define QBs by the way they analyze and attack the defense, find mismatches and deceive the dfense Manning has to be rated with Van Brocklin, Unitas and Steve Young all of whom excelled in those areas. If a successful QB is in your opinion: the intermediary between coach and team, the emotional center of the team and captain then Brady has the edge and most be ranked with Bobby Layne, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach, Joe Namath and Troy Aikman who were strongest in those areas-IMHO.

Brady 'FINALLY' has something to work with?...lol...That's funny. He's always had something to work with, even tapes at half time...lol. (I couldn't refuse saying that one...lol) However, its not about what they can do with an all star team, moreso what they can do without them, such as without Marvin Harrison for how many games now? I say that Peyton has easily been more impressive this year than Brady, all things considered. Also, when their careers are over, Peyton will have more impressive stats, too (barring injury). But we're all entitled to our own opinions, and this is just simply my opinion on this topic. Thanks.

In my opinion, this is like asking Jeff Saturday vs Dan Koppen--they both play center for great teams and neither one gets any credit--Brady and Manning both play quarterback for great teams and they both get more than enough credit--My actual answer is that if a team with an offensive line drafts correctly in 2008--then next year we will have Brady vs Manning vs Ryan--thanks for listening--rich from newport

Why does everyone talk about The Brady not having offensive weapons? We should be complaining that Manning never had a great defense to compliment the offense. Yes of course having super wideouts will effect a QB stats but so will having a great defense. The colts had never had an all star defense yet the Patriots have been relieng on the defense more then the Offense before this season. Manning never had the great defense that would cause turnovers give him great field position would cause quick 3 and outs. Colts defense was OK but never as good as the Patriots.

In superbowl XXXVI The Rams out-gained the Patriots in yards 427-267, but the Patriots forced three turnovers. Ty Law intercepted a Touchdown from Kurt Warner for a touchdown. Only reason why Pats won this game was because os the Turnovers. yes they allowed 427 yards but the Patriots offense did not bring in to the house. The Defense causing its 3 turnovers won the game.

2 superbowls after the Patriots again won that game on Defense. The Pats defense once again had picked off 3 passes from McNabb

I am leveling the playing field saying that everyone talks about Brady never having Mannings weapons. But also Manning never had Samuels Milloy Law Vrabel Bruschi Warren Wilfork on his superbowl team.

Brady was a part of the Pats dynasty but not nearly as much as the Pats defense.

Manning is a better player. But not by much.

Brady is the best right now and some day may be the best ever

I agree, Brady the best right now. To me less chokling when it counts.. Any predictions for the showdown???

Pats - 27
Colts - 13

Patriots 49 Colts 30

Heck I'll go out on that limb- Colts 34 Patriots 31, the Colts finally get pressure on Brady and he makes a few mistakes.

Pats 38
Colts 31

Colts-38
Patriots-27

Brady and Manning....

Sure not their best games, couple of picks for Brady, low completion percentage, yet he came back well in the 4th.

Manning, lower completion percentage, his big pass for 73 at the end of the half (someone should have been fired for that colossal mistake).

Good game none the less, maybe help some teams see some holes to hit on next time they play either team. The Cowboys hopefully were paying attention.

Moss looked great and what about Addai? Over 100 yards each in receiving and rushing... WOW, very impressive... He only had 91 yards receiving for the last 6 games total. He has been averaging though 98 on the ground.

Agreed, Joseph Addai was the superstar amongst a field of excellence. I think it's quite clear at this point that both of these teams are the cream of the crop in the NFL. It's a shame they are in the same conference, and they should have moved one of the two of them out after the realignment. Either way, these two teams are at another level, and both QB's are complete studs. Who's better? Who cares? They are both winners on any of the 32 teams, pro bowlers, Hall of Famers, and Superbowl Champions. The debate on "who's better" is irrelevant in my opinion...


However....

Since I'm a Detroit Lions fan and an Avid supporter of "Barry as the best RB ever," I feel inclined to comment. I think that Brady is the superior QB. While Manning might be the better pure passer, I think Brady spreads the ball around more, and he's also just a smidge more mobile than Manning. Brady doesn't have the ability to make pre-snap reads as WELL as Manning, but he is a lot more decisive with the ball. And when you're down by 10 with 7 minutes left...Brady is the guy who's going to put the team on his shoulders. Let's not forget that Manning had plenty of time to work down the field Sunday (3+ minutes remaining) and get a score. As we all know, he turned the ball over when he should have taken a sack. So Brady is my guy.

The Patriots without Brady are still the best team in the NFL. Without Manning, the Colts don't make the playoffs.

If Manning played for the Ravens, they'd be a championship caliber team. If Brady played for the Ravens, would they be as good? I'm not so sure. But if McNair played for the Pats, they'd still be great. McNair and the Colts? Well, they'd just be the Ravens.

I still don't buy into Brady. I know he has rings, and I know he's thrown 197 TDs this season, but I really feel like he's a system QB. Obviously he's a winner, and he's very clutch. But it still seems like there's a bubble just waiting to burst.

Flame away.

Brady is much better than Manning. Manning is great, but Brady is one of the top 3 QBs of all time. Brady is much better in the playoffs. Brady is demonstrating what he could do with good WRs, which Manning has always had. Brady will either break or come very close to a lot of passing records this year, and he will lead the Pats to an undefeated season. Brady also has 3 Super Bowl rings, compared to Manning's 1.

Someone with film should figure out how many of Moss's TD catches were the result of a good throw by Brady and how many were the result of a great catch by Moss. And how many were TD passes to a wide open reciever who was left undefended because Moss was double or triple teamed?

*edit* In an effort to show that Moss is the force behind the Patriot's offensive jugernaut, I looked up Brady's numbers. I still thing Peyton's the better qb, but check out Brady's consistency:


YEAR Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT
2001 264 413 63.9 2843 6.9 18 12
2002 373 601 62.1 3764 6.3 28 14
2003 317 527 60.2 3620 6.9 23 12
2004 288 474 60.8 3692 7.8 28 14
2005 334 530 63.0 4110 7.8 26 14
2006 319 516 61.8 3529 6.8 24 12
2007 250 338 74.0 3059 9.1 38 4

The comment about New England not being lost without Tom Brady is asinine. Tom Brady is a top echeleon QB in every football city in America, nay, Planet Earth. If all being an NFL QB entailed was a good arm, Joey Harrington would still be a starter for the Lions. It takes something more. It takes what I am now affectionately labelling the "Brady Factor."

While Brady may not have the tremendous arm strength that Manning has (and his isn't anything less than impressive) or the accuracy that Pennington has (again, Brady is pretty accurate), he has the "Brady Factor." The ability to take control of an offense and understand who will be available on any given play based on whatever look the defense is showing on said play. He's smart. He's the most intelligent QB in the NFL, and his hard work and dedication to film-study is apparent every single week.

Tom Brady for President!!!!

In all seriousness, I'm willing to say that my opinion of Tom Brady in the annuls of history...He's #1. The best Quarterback to have ever played the game of football. He's the Michael Jordan of the NFL. Jordan wasn't great because he could drop 50 on you in any given night (which he could). He was great because he understood the importance of Team effort and stradegy in the interest of winning games. He, like Brady, used his talent to create threats in every facet of his game.

Right now, Brett Favre is the best QB in the history of the NFL.

In all seriousness, I'm willing to say that my opinion of Tom Brady in the annuls of history...He's #1. The best Quarterback to have ever played the game of football. He's the Michael Jordan of the NFL.

ASteinbach make up your mind?!?!? You posted these within like a half an hour of each other.

Well yeah...I have to cater to both the Packer fans and the Patriot fans. Thanks for blowing it for me.

Honestly, Brady is going to eclipse Favre. But who's to say that (God forbid) Brady has a career ending injury on Sunday? Then he'll walk away with that asterisk next to his name, indicating the Bo Jackson "what-if" clause.

I'm thankful, either way, for being lucky enough to see both of these Quarterbacks play first hand. I'm sure it's something I'll tell my kids and grandkids about someday.

Fair enough! Brady may go down as the best ever. Some guys have all the luck!

And some guys used to say the same thing about Montana, but the only thing people remember now is that he was one of the best to have strapped em up.