WOW, not a Packer fan, not a hater either, but what a great second half by Favre, after a weak first halfwith 2 interceptions.

I like to see I admit someone trying to go out with some style after being in the league so long. Did not work so well for Emmitt Smith though! I was really embarassed for him and his stint at Arizona.

Brett Favre is the greatest PLAYER in NFL history. period. He is a quarterback that has the toughness of a linebacker unlike Brady and Manning. He has the best arm ever, he is the toughest, best pocket presence, most accurate and throws the best deep ball.

Well doubt that, but your opinion though for sure.

With 273 int. I doubt the most accurate.

To me too hard to say who is the best of all time at any position. I can see a top 10 or 5, but syaing best ever, Is uppose from a Packer fan standpoint, why not.....

I'm a packers fan, but I still wouldn't say Favre is the greatest of all time. I think he's the 6th best QB of all time, behind Elway, Brady, Marino, Montana, and Peyton Manning. He has the greatest throwing strength of all time, but his accuracy isn't as good.

top 5 for sure

IMO, you can't be one of the top 5 QBs of all time while throwing the most ints of all time.

well doesnt he have the most attempts?? so thats not all that important to me and youre going to have alot of picks with his gunslinging mentality that he can fit the ball into any window.. and thats what makes him great no other qb has the guts to take the chances. and hey more often not it works with his 425 + Td passes. and i dont think theres away hes behind manning!?! he has alot of work to do. elway and marino for sure are better but brady? he might be a better leader and won more super bowls but i dont think better qb. montana? thats a tossup really

Manning vs. Favre is a tossup. Manning has better accuracy and decision-making than Favre, which is why I put him there. Brady is way better than Favre. Brady will go down as one of the top 3, if not best, QB of all time. Brady has won 3 Super Bowls and is about to win another one. Brady has been extremely clutch. In those 3 Super Bowl wins, he had almost no adequate offensive weapons to work with. Just look at what has happened to Branch and Bennett after leaving New England. And look at what Brady is doing with good WRs.

Right now, Brett Favre is the best QB in the history of the NFL. He's got all the records, good or bad, and he's got rings and MVP seasons to prove it...while he's entering the twighlight of his career, he will most certainly go down as one of the best to have ever played. People of our generation should consider themselves lucky. We've been lucky enough to have players such as Favre, Manning, Brady, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Curtis Martin, Reggie White, and Ray Lewis. Seldom over the years do such an incredible class of athletes grace us with their intensity and dedication. And seldom could so many be considered amongst the best who have ever played, from only one generation.

If that generation has a poster-child, I believe it definitely is Brett Favre, the Iron man. To have never missed a game in his professional career as a starter is beyond words. And to still be playing as effectively today as he was 10 years ago is awe-inspiring.

Good luck to the Packers this year. And good luck to them on Thanksgiving. Go Lions!

Wait a minute! He has a RING, not rings. He has as many rings as Trent Dilfer, Joe Theisman, and Doug Williams. He's had good teams around him too, for the majority of his career.

Not really. It's not as if Green Bay has been a Free Agent factory. Quite the opposite. Look at the WR's he's had over the years. Sterling Sharpe (who ended his career there), Robert Brooks, Donald Driver, and Koren Robinson. His offensive line has always been considered stout, but not necessarily dominate. He's never had a blue chip running back (Henderson, Green, Fischer, Gado, and Harris). The defense has had good years, and their secondary has been pretty solid, but how many HOF players have they inducted in the last 5-8 years? I can't name one.

And you know as well as I do that Dilfer, Theisman, and Williams are not, nor have they ever been, on the same level as Favre.

He has had plenty of talent around him during his tenure in GB. People seem to forget how good Ahman Green was. From 2000 to 2004, he ranked in the top 12 in rushing every year, including 2 years in which he ranked among the top 5. He is also one of the active leading rushers, nearing 9,000 yards. Sterling Sharpe was great, and Driver has been a dependable WR that doesn't drop too many passes. The Packers have also maintained a good, but not great, O-Line throughout the years. I'm not saying that Favre isn't great, which he is, but he isn't the best of all-time.

Few remember a team's talents like their arch rivals do. (Lions fan over here)

I'm not discrediting the team around him, I'm just saying that he's always been one of those guys who makes others look good. And 10 years ago (if people can think back that far), Favre was actually a pretty dangerous scrambler, too.

Lol, I can't believe a Lions fan is arguing that Favre is the best QB of all-time and a GB fan is arguing against that.

very strange lol but gotta agree that Tom Brady will be the best ever on the pace he is with everything

As a fan of a division rival (the Lions), it was tough for me to agree to such presumptions for the first...10 years or so. But even if Brady does someday surpass him, I doubt Brady will ever play as long and consistently as Favre did. What seperate's Favre from the rest, is the fact that (despite a few off years) he hasn't faded into obscurity. Which is the case with most QB's who play after the age of 33 or so.

I rank passing quarterbacks on their ability to pass the ball
Warren Moon was the best I have seen and if racism hadn't kept him out of the league for 5 years he'd be the benchmark.
#2 Dan Marino, he did more with less than all the other top QBs.
#3 Brett Favre the ultimate gunslinger and who has loved the game as much?
#4 John Elway in so many ways the prototype, size, and arm charisma he almost had it and 2 Super Bowl to cap his career meant he did have it all.
#5 Johnny Unitas if he played with today’s rules he might be putting up the kind of career numbers Favre has.
#6 Sammy Baugh, one of the few who played in 1938 and could play in 2008, great athlete and a great arm “Cyanide Sid”Luckman and he and were the 1st true QBs.
#7 Norm Van Brocklin, a terrible athlete, but a surgeon who carved up defenses, he innovated deception as a major part of a signal callers art.
#8 Dan Fouts classic motion and incredibly catchable deep ball, if he had won a championship he would be talked about very differently.
#9 Troy Aikman I hated watching him, but what couldn't he do that a pocket passer does?
#10 Y.A Tittle trust me if he had not played at the same time as Johnny U more people would know what great QB he was.
Mobile/Scrambling QBs
#1 Steve Young he almost made both lists, so smart, a gifted athlete and pinpoint placement.
#2 Fran Tarkenton undersized, below average arm, still he was one of the best ever.
#3 Roger Staubach another guy I hated but admired the ultimate leader.
#4 Randall Cunningham, I still say if he had played his whole career with a team like the 90's Vikings he'd be going to the hall, he was the 1st who could make guys look stupid in the open field and he had a very strong arm.
#5 Doug Flutie, if a team had drafted him and believed in him he could have had a career that would be borderline HOF, he will make the CFL HOF. His arm was stronger than you think and he had sweet feet.
#6 Joe Thiesman, though he was not as good as he thought he was, he was a very good NFL QB and had smarts and toughness.
#7 Archie Manning, if he had been drafted by Dallas he'd be in the HOF, he played well for a long time for a TERRIBLE team. How he looks as good as he does and is not bitter is beyond me.
#8 Donovan McNabb, I know things are not looking good for him now but at his best he was a top 3 QB for 5 years and I think he will be again.
#9 Steve McNair despite spending most of his career on safe possession passing teams, and being bedeviled by injury the last 3+ years he was a top 5 QB for about 7 years. Had the arm to make all throws and was once very dangerous outside the pocket.
10. Joe Ferguson, a nearly forgotten man, Ferguson was a 'poor man's' Staubach and better than most remember.
Guys like Bart Starr, Namath, Montana, and Brady are 'It' guys whose value is not in their legs or arms. The Winners are Bradshaw, Starr, Brady, and Montana but Brady is moving up fast.

Favre's probably the 5th best of all-time. But Brady is better. Brady has put up monster stats this year. I believe that when he calls it quits, he'll be regarded as the best to have ever played the game.

well he has the most yds tds wins etc and that is not y he is the greatest though. he is the most mobile qb ever. he makes so many guys look like fools when the try to sack him...he is just so agile, smart and strong. He has the best arm ever...and is the most accurate. everyone talks about favres interceptions but look at the teams he has been on. he has never had a great WR...all the other great QBs have...i mean i like donald driver a lot but he is not a GREAT wide receiver. yet favre still has the best stats ever. In addion, he threw the most interceptions partially cuz he played so long and that he is a gunslinger. Brett favre just makes soooooo many plays that NOBODY can make. that is y he is the greatest cuz he does so many things that NOBODY can do not to mention his great productivity with average talent. If u disagree with him having average talent then look at how players that left green bay have done. Javon walker had really good stats in Green bay but now that he is in denver his stats r really not that good. if favre actually would have had great WRs like every other great QB has had then he could have put up stats that NOBODY would ever break not to mention a lot less interceptions. also he holds the record for INTs cuz he does not give up no matter the score unlike Brady Manning and others. they just worry bout their stats. the only stat favre cares bout is wins. thats all he cares about so dont ever bring up, "Favre throws too many INTs to be considered the greatest. He is also the most accurate even though he usually only has an average O-line and average WRs. Brett Favre has done more with less than any QB ever. This is y Brett Favre is the greatest QB ever.

U can't say Favre is the most mobile QB ever. Remember that guy that's in jail? What's his name, MIchael Vick?

I knew waht you meant whoever said favre was mobile. Packpwnage, I think the word he meant was elusive. He's not necessarily fast but if you ever watched a Packers game, you know he is very elusive. He constantly makes defenders miss with his footwork or the pumpfake.

I'll take Farve over Marino any day of the week. Farve's a winner...Marino was a finger pointing ME player. Insert Joe Montana over Marino also. Not saying Marino was a bad QB, for he sure wasn't. Great arm and talent. He just did not have the ability these other QBs had or have of making those around him pick their games up a notch, week in and week out. He just was not a true leader.

Then how bout Fran Tarkenton?

Montana was great. But he doesn't get the recognition of a guy like Elway because he didn't win any Super Bowls, which r what really make people remember u. U all have to understand something. I'm not hating on Brett. Y would I do that? All I'm saying is that there r some QBs who have been better than him.

Never seen him play.

No one has.

I saw him play. He was a "magician" who had an uncanny knack for avoiding the sack. He was only about 6"0", a small QB, even then. He wasn't what they call a "mobile QB" today, like a Mike Vick, or Vince Young, or even a Steve Young. Instead, he used his ability to scramble to avoid the rush, buy more time, and then find an open receiver to throw to. You'd see 3 or 4 DL converge on him...he'd disappear, and you were certain he was down...but, wala, like a rabbit pulled out of the hat, he'd reappear, running around until he found someone open to throw to. It often looked comical, almost Keystone Cops like, and there were plenty of DL who looked pretty foolish after having him in their grasp, only to have him escape. Not a great arm at all, but a good enough arm, and a determination found in few others that I've ever seen. Opposing DL hated to play him, because they knew they'd be spending all day chasing him, and rarely catch him.

I would also like to correct you, PackersPwnage, about your statement, "Montana was great. But he doesn't get the recognition of a guy like Elway because he didn't win any Super Bowls, which r what really make people remember u." I don't know how old you are, but you might be interested to know that Montana won 3 Super Bowls, while playing QB for the San Francisco 49ers in the 80s. So, I will take him any day of the week over Marino...who won exactly 0 Super Bowls.

You're right about Tarkenton. Montana won 4 SBs. Montana and Bradshaw both won 4 for their respective teams.
Brady will try to join them.

I saw Tarkenton and have stood next to him he's about 5'10.5" not as fast in a straight line as Flutie but tougher and a GREAT QB!

Sterling Sharpe, Mark Chmura, Antonio Freeman were all Pro Bowlers and Sharpe would be a HOF candidate if he had not been injured, he had targets as good or better than Tarkenton, Thiesman, or Elway who had only above average receivers for the most part.

My bad, I was thinking of Marino. I got them mixed up, lol. Yeah, Tarkenton is forgotten now because he was involved in a scandal. He was in commercials advertising a vitamin, and he said they had certain effects. They were tested, and it turned out that they didn't have any potency. So the company was forced to shut down. Tarkenton didn't do anything wrong, but his reputation was damaged. At least that's a story that I heard.

Tarkenton was a very mobile QB. As nyy said, he ran to get an open reciever, not to get yards. He was even given the nickname "Scramblin' Fran." He was also traded from the Vikings to the Giants because the Vikings head coach hated scrambling QBs.

Yes, he was traded from the Vikings to the Giants...and then back to the Vikings again. He did nothing wrong in that scandal, as you stated, and although many may not know of him because of their age, those who saw him play certainly won't forget him. One of a kind to this point. bcdrama mentioned the closest one has come, in Doug Flutie, but Flutie never experienced the success Tarkenton had in the NFL. I believe he played college ball at Georgia.

I enjoyed discussing ol' Fran so much, I decided to go to the HOF and this is his write up there for those of you interested. I did try to put his lifetime stats in too, but the table doesn't format correctly for this site. However, I also discovered his lifetime receiving statistics were -12 yards. Good thing he was a QB.

FRAN TARKENTON

Class of 1986
Quarterback >>> 6-0, 190
(Georgia)
1961-1966, 1972-1978 Minnesota Vikings, 1967-1971 New York Giants

Francis Asbury Tarkenton. . .Almost instant star with four TD passes, first game, 1961. . .Moved to New York (1967), back to Vikings (1972) in stunning trades. . .At retirement led lifetime passers in attempts (6,467), completions (3,686), yards (47,003), touchdowns (342). . .Exciting, elusive scrambler. . . Rushed for 3,674 yards, 32 TDs. . .Led Vikings to three Super Bowls. . .Two-time All-NFL. . .Pro Bowl selection nine times. . . Born February 3, 1940, in Richmond, Virginia.

Fran Tarkenton's career as a National Football League quarterback started with the fledgling Minnesota Vikings in 1961, took him to the New York Giants in 1967, and then back to the Vikings in 1972.

In Minnesota's first game ever, the rookie from Georgia came off the bench to fire four touchdown passes and run for a fifth in a big upset of the Chicago Bears. For the next 18 seasons, the 6-0, 190-pound field leader never let up in his relentless quest of yardage and touchdowns.

At the time of his retirement, Fran owned every significant passing record – 3,686 pass completions, 47,003 passing yards, and 342 touchdowns. But particularly in his early years, Tarkenton attracted widespread attention as an exciting scrambler who took plays from sideline to sideline. Add his 3,674 yards rushing to his stunning passing totals and you have 50,677 yards – almost 29 miles or 500 football fields – of offensive progression. Yet Tarkenton was also a "quality" passer as his 80.4 passing rating that placed him in the upper echelon in that category demonstrates.

Tarkenton was a No. 3 draft pick of the 1961 Vikings. He became the starting quarterback early in his rookie season and continued his outstanding performances for the next six seasons. But in 1967, he was sent to the New York Giants in a trade that netted the Vikings two No. 1 and two No. 2 draft picks over a three-year period.

Five seasons later, Fran came back to Minnesota in another massive swap that cost the Vikings two veterans, a rookie and two high draft picks. In Fran's final seven years with the Vikings (1972-1978), he led Minnesota to six NFC Central Division titles and three Super Bowl appearances. He was named first- or second-team All-NFL three times and selected to play in nine Pro Bowls during his career.

Lol, that was a complete report. I guess u probably loved him, being a Giants fan.