I am sorry but Eli Manning is no leader, he must go.... 4 interceptions, 2 for TD's....

Same ole story every year. Giants are 7 - 4 now, and needed that win, andmost pickedt hem to get it no problem..

I would not even keep him as a backup. He is just not maturing well. JMO

Why throw themselves under the bus by getting rid of their highest paid player and starting QB? I think his development has come along fine. Remember, it took Peyton something like 8 or 9 seasons to get his Superbowl. And if you remember, he didn't start off his first 3 years by setting records. It's a slow development process when a team invests in a young QB long term. I think he's coming along nicely, and will eventually develop into the solid pro that they expect him to be. Him and Plaxico have been a dangerous combination already. Today was a rough day for him, but I certainly hope the Giants fans don't give up their playoff hopes after just one loss. 7-5 can still easily finish 10-6 or 9-7. In the NFC, that's a shot at a playoff run. And assuming they get Jacobs back soon, they will continue to be a force to be reckoned with. Derrick Ward just isn't the starter, and it shows how much their (nearly top ranked) run game means to them.

I agree for sure, it took Peyton some time to come around, if I remember doing veyr poorly when they enetered the playoffs during that time. But they only thing they have in common is the bloodline and the fact they are QB's in the NFL. He does not show to me the tools that he will develop the same. I can see them doing well, but him tkaing them to the next level I just can't see it.

Probably over the top getting rid of him, but I just don't see it. Maybe I am a little sensitive from the Cowboys last several years of worthless QB picks, LOL.... Here hoping Romo continues to grow and perform well...

Well, yeah, I mean Romo is definitely playing on another level. He's amongst the best QB's in the NFL. I think he's in the prime of his career right now, but I'm really hoping to see the Cowboys nab another playmaking WR this offseason, simply because age is becoming a factor for them at that position.

Good point, grab one while you can, good draft position this year for sure and some good picks available...

I won't say anything until they miss the playoffs. I expected them to make the playoffs. Winning in the playoffs is a different story, I don't expect them to win. But they are a playoff team.

I don't understand how the same team let's the same thing burn them every year. They are in New York. Media is on every doorstep. It's at all facets of life. The club, the apartment, the practice field, the locker rooms, the field, the court, everywhere. Even on the streets. They're biggest problem is that they get too much into 'how good a team they got' and lose focus late in the season. Besides that, the 2nd half of the season is more definitive. And this just isn't a team ready to push into the playoffs. They are too inexperienced and too young. And that comes down to 1 guy. Tom Coughlin...While, up the coast a few hundred miles, Belichek has his guys eating humble pie, Coughlin faulters a step in letting his guys get too arrogant. And teams want it more from November on, the winners in Nov/Dec make the playoffs. Period. Teams like Tampa, Washington, Dallas, and New Orleans know that. Teams like Detroit, New York, NYJ, and Buffalo are still struggling with that.

Well I sure cannot disagree that his coaching style seems odd to me. That team does not gel they all seem to play as individuals for sure, one thinking he is better than the other. Maybe part of Manning's issue is pulling the offense together as one unit. I do hope for some of the players on that team, they make the playoffs, winning will be another story for suret hough.

It's not easy to come into the league as a young QB and try to be a vocal leader. That's the issues that you finally start to see Jay Cutler overcome, perhaps it's on Eli's shoulders to become that for the Giants.

The ironic thing here is Eli's more laid back persona would have worked nuch better in: .... wait for it- wait for it... SAN DIEGO and even a limited time around Turner and Brees would have been more educational than Collins and Gilbride, am I crazy or did he pass up the right team to go to the team least suited to his temperment?

Yeah, I don't think HE did any of that Bill. He seems like the kinda guy who can't decide whether to sh*t or get off the pot. And I think his daddy knew this, so he pushed to have his son play for the more 'competitive' team (at the time) and the more high-dollar market. Financially, it was a sound strategy, but professionally it might've been the dumbest move of his career. Hey, look at the bright side, he'll have a chance to change teams after the 2008 season when he becomes a UFA.

Check out this stat. Eli Manning has been the starter for three full years. In all three years, barring a complete breakdown this year, he's led his team to the playoffs. YOUNG Eli is just fine. If this type of stuff was happening in his 8th season, I could understand it, but the NY Media is blowing the Eli stuff up way too much.

Have not read the NY stuff, he is just a very mediocre QB, nice 2 int. yesterday and a fumble loss. Leading them to teh playoffs, to me might have ben the rest carrying him there.

But i would say another couple of years needed to see what happens with him.

Lol, I was at a bar the other day watching the NYG vs. Buffalo game, and there were all these NYG fans there. They were all over Eli. Every incomplete pass he threw, they were screaming at the TV. Eli is doing better than Rivers. I never liked Eli and always thought he was overhyped, but he's not terrible.

Many NY fans that dump on Eli are unrealistic because of all the hype of him being a Manning. His progression has actually been very good, as both a QB, and as a leader. When Tiki left, he said a lot of things, and it was Eli who took up the defense of his team and teammates. As more and more came out in the bantering between Tiki and the Giants, it is very apparent that Tiki was a locker room cancer...a ME player...and not a leader at all. From what I've seen, Eli's calling Tiki out on his remarks have brought this team closer together, and now he's not the only one stating this team is better this year, than it was last year, as one after another his teammates have joined in.

As for his interceptions, well, a lot of good QBs go into Giants Stadium and throw a higher rate of interceptions, especially once November hits, and the swirling winds pick up. Fran Tarkenton had to learn these winds, as did YA Tittle, and Phil Simms. This is just another aspect of playing where he plays that Eli will have to learn to cope with, and that too comes with experience. He'll probably figure it out just before they open their new stadium, then have to start over again because the winds will likely swirl differently in a new design. QBs in Buffalo have had a similar problem.

As for Eli vs. Rivers, I'd say they're about equal right now, as Eli has been a starter one year longer than Rivers. I think they'll both be above average QBs, and leaders of their teams in this league barring injury for a long time.

I think next year when the GIANTS have the best record in the NFC, we will look back at last night's game as the "coming out" party for Eli Manning. I thought Eli played extremely well with that one pick by Ellis Hobbs as the only negative. Remember that both Tom Brady and Peyton Manning went to colleges where success is measured by 10 win seasons and New Years Bowl games while Eli had to be the savior for an Ole Miss team that was used to being the doormat of the SEC. He couldn't do it alone and last night I saw a Giants team that recognized that and almost won by not letting him "go it alone" He does have recognition problems but so did Drew Bledsoe and I think that can be overcome by study and film work. My bigger concern is his fumbling problem which has been a recurring theme this year and a reason that the Giants give up so many easy touchdowns/field position to the opposition. This was his signature moment even in a loss and bodes well for both the playoffs and next year's season.--thanks for listening--rich from newport

Eli still has more work to go, Rich, but he is progressing. He certainly doesn't have the weapons Brady, or his brother have. As to the Giants having the best record in the NFC next year, I don't think they'll come up with enough ammunition, unless they play in FA. They obviously need a WR that can hold onto the ball. Their OL still needs help, they could use some DL and LB help, and they really need help in their defensive backfield. Also, Dallas has two No1 picks in the draft, and they'll likely get better, so it will be tough for the Giants to overtake them. However, a really good starting CB though FA, and a WR who can hold onto the ball and give Manning a go to guy instead of Shockey will go a long way in changing the Giant's fortunes.

LOL! Best record in the NFC? Don't lie 2 urself.

One thing I'd like to point out to you here. Next year, other than the division games you must play, plus the inter-division games they rotate, and I'm not sure which division the NFC North plays next year, the Pack, thanks to their record this year, will have to face other division winners on their schedule. I'm just wondering what your posts will look like this time next year. I'm quite certain my Giants will be back in the thick of things, at the very least. I like Farve...always have. But, he's getting old, and if you take his swagger away, you take GB's swagger with it. I think he'll come back next year, after this year's success, but I think after next year's schedule, he'll retire. Just one man's opinion.

To be perfectly honest, I'm very pessimistic about the Packers for next year. Favre will never have another year like this one, Woodson and Harris will also start to falter, and Grant will be ineffective. Even though the Packers r the youngest team in football, their stars r old. And most of that youth r from the interior O-Lineman and D-Lineman. Plus, I think they'll have that Super Bowl loser curse hanging over them after they win the NFC and lose to the Pats. So u can't say that I'm completely optimistic, but the Packers r the 2nd or 3rd best team in the NFL as of now.

Well, the old adage still remains true. If you want to build a winning team, start in the trenches. So, with most of your youth on you OLs and DLs, the beginning is there. Good luck.

Rodgers also impressed me. I was completely pessimistic about him, but his performance against Dallas helped me gain some confidence in him. I'm still not sure if he's the right guy to lead our team for years to come, but he's should be solid. The RB situation isn't too good in my eyes because I think Grant is a fluke. The O-Line is very good, with 2 very good, veteran OTs anchoring it, as well as an assortment of young interior lineman. Our front 7 is one of the best in the game, featuring mainly young players. The secondary is very solid right now, but when Harris and Woodson leave, it'll be very questionable. So we'll see how it all turns out.

Just a quick snippet, NFC North and AFC South but heads next year. So for the Pack the road will be tough. It's not completely unrealistic for the Gians to be up there in record but like the AFC South the NFC East just typically beat up on each other, Dallas is just real good this year

I don't watch many Giants games but i knew the moment Eli pulled that stunt at the draft he wasn't a leader. Most of the sportscasters bit their toungues because it was Peyton's little brother but that was a dark moment in football and should have let the giants know the character of the guy they were getting. I saw the giants/pats game and you could literally see manning come apart at the seems i knew when he fumbled that snap they were going to lose. he isn't a fraction of the complete package his brother is and for those who saw its unfair to compare the two then maybe Eli should have been humble that he was getting drafting in the first place instead of throwing a diva fit in the green room at the draft. this guy is like a bad date you get to round the bases but never get waived home

I agree, say all you want he needs more time.

Just is not going to happen for him, its like watching Danny White all over again, waiting for him to choke...

You "knew," the moment Eli pulled that stunt? I'm assuming you're speaking of the power play he made in order to force his way onto a team he found more palatable. You are either too young, have a poor memory, or do not know much about the history of the NFL. May I inform you that one John Elway, a current resident of the Pro Football HOF, pulled essentially the same "stunt" in 1983, when he was drafted by the old, Baltimore Colts...your present day Indianapolis Colts. He did not have the family to help him, but he did use the New York Yankees as leverage, as he was also a top baseball prospect coming out of college too. Eli may not be Peyton, but who is? Clearly the top two QBs in the league right now are Peyton and Brady, other than that, you're looking at a bunch of QBs who have the ability to manage games, and sometimes gives you an outstanding game that carries your team to victory by himself. Eli fits into that category, and he's one of the younger ones that do. Say what you want about Eli, but he plays in NY, and this is the 3rd year in a row they are going to the playoffs. I don't know what it is that you "knew," but it certainly didn't have much to do about Eli the QB.

Well im old enough to know there was no credibility behind Elway quitting football it was a power play and Eli manning is no John Elway and did not have other options other than waititng till the next year. and he showed his awsome foreight by choosing not to play in the same backfield as the best player in the game, Smooth move. as for the Brady/Peyton then everybody else statment you made above i could name at least 10 QBs better than Eli Right Now. This guy is an Average QB with no confidence or leadership. He was a missed playoffs away from being traded and you know it

No credibility? Elway signed a contract with the Yankees, and was actually in the minors for them. As for Eli being traded...you must have better sources than I do, as this is the first time I've heard of that. You might be able to name 10 QBs, but name 10 who can...1- Play in front of the fickle NY fans and put up with them, not to mention the NY press. I for one will tell you this is not an over-rated ability of a person's ability to play in NY. There are numerous cases, in all sports of players who play great in other cities, but fall on their face in NY. Take them out of NY, and they play good again...2- take their team to the playoffs 3 years in a row with an over-rated TE, and a No1 WR who sees the field 50% of the time. Then, name 10 who did this in their first 3 years as a starter. And one more thing...I don't know how many Giants games you've seen, but the next time you watch one, I want you to count how many balls that are right in the receiver's hands...and get dropped. I'll guarantee you it'll easily be between 4-10.

I don't know what you have against Eli. He's a young QB just finishing his 3rd year as a starter. He plays in one of the most QB unfriendly stadiums in the NFL, with consistently strong and swirling winds that make many good QBs look bad, and many more look even worse. And, I'll bet I can name 10 teams who would take Eli right now....over the QB they have...starting with the team they'll be playing Sunday.

We can handle it.

Elway played 2 summer leagues which Dennis Dixon just did does that mean he is signing a baseball contact? If the yankees needed a pitcher that bad they should have taken the fat kid outta texas. I have seen Giants games where passes were dropped but i have seen too many games where Eli completed the passes just to guys in the wrong color jersey. you call Shockey overrated but what has Eli done to deserve being picked over Rivers or Big Ben? You can't deny that during the pats game you couldn't see Eli crumble right before you eyes. He just doesn't have what it takes

With your vast knowledge of what it takes to play the QB position in the NFL, perhaps you should apply for a job in personnel with the Giants so they can stop themselves from their commitment to Eli before it's too late. As far as Rivers and Big Ben are concerned, Eli's stats match up favorably with either of them. I don't know which team you root for to make you say things that are a bit immature about Eli. He, along with both Rivers and Big Ben are still very early in their respective careers, and still have much to learn before any of them will be a complete QB. However, IMO, I think all three are good young QBs, with bright futures in the NFL ahead of them, and their teams, barring injury. Here is how I break down the three of them.

Big Ben. Pluses: Arm is above average, but not great - Size/Height - makes smart reads for the most part - sees the field well - throws well on the run. manages a game well. Minuses: Does not have a quick release - deep passes tend to sail - still learning to read defenses - okay in the pocket, but is not a good scrambler.

As a Charger fan, I am very familiar with Rivers. He too has had his problems and distractions. Pluses: Great decision maker and field general. A leader. Is tall, well-built, and very durable. A tough player. Possesses great pocket presence and field vision. Makes reads easily and has a nice progression in his check downs. Has great instincts, touch, and timing. Minuses: Ordinary arm, although he has improved arm strength in off season conditioning program, but still needs work. Is working to improve terrible mechanics. Throws sidearm a lot and bounces some balls to receivers. Needs work on setting his feet and planting, sometimes hand-pats the ball slowing down his release. Also sometimes holds the ball too low when he drops back, which also slows down his release. Too much air under deep throws over the middle. A terrible runner. Sometimes has problems with the snap exchange with the center because of height and playing in a shotgun offense in college. Tends to become emotional, which he sometimes allows to interfere with the task at hand.

And now, Eli. Pluses: Great arm and can make all the throws. Excellent fundamentals, and has a high, quick release with very good footwork. Very accurate on short passes, with very good touch and timing. Can read the field and make pre-snap decisions. Moves well in the pocket and can throw on the run. Minuses: Not a great athlete. Does not have the same accuracy on his deep balls as he does on his short to medium range throws. Needs to pay more attention to detail and manage the game better. Has come on as a leader, but needs to be more "take charge," his personality may prevent him from being in the same class as his brother in this area.

All three of these QBs came into the league at the same time. Big Ben benefited by going to a veteran team on the verge of a SB, with a very strong supporting cast. His stats should be better than the other two. Rivers went to the Chargers, who were just beginning to become good, and sat behind Brees. He has the least starting experience of the three. Manning came to a Giants team that had a good RB and little else, and started mid-way through his rookie year. None of these QBs have ever had what you would call a true No1 WR, although both Ben and Eli had or have Burress, who is the closest you will come to one when he doesn't have a hang nail. Until this year, Ben has had the superior OL. All three have benefitted from playing for teams with superior rushing attacks.

I enjoy getting into discussions and debates with someone who can do so in an unbiased and intellectual format. With someone who can produce statements, statistics, or facts that at least on the surface support what he or she is saying. What I don't like, is someone whose statements consist of a bunch of generalizations with no substance behind them. Someone who sees a game or two, and suddenly becomes the next coming of a HOF GM. Someone who makes statements as if they are facts, when in fact, they are not true.

Oh yeah. One more thing. Elway was an infielder...not a pitcher. FYI, playing for Oneonta, in Class A for the NY Yankees in 1983, he hit .314 and had a club-high 24 home runs while playing 3rd base. Now, that's a fact. As they say, thasavage1, you can look it up.

Rivers has been to the pro bowl big ben has a super bowl ring. look that up

Ben rode into the SB on Bettis' legs, along with the great D and all the other talent on the Steelers SB team. If it is your contention that Ben TOOK the Steelers to the SB, averaging a whopping 20 throws a game, you need to reconsider how you evaluate a great QB. Cowher used Ben in a way that insured he did not cost the Steelers the chance to win. Rivers had a good year, but he had some help too, and this year he hasn't followed it up.

I'll tell you what, thasavage1, in two more years, you come back and tell me Eli isn't a good QB. Anyone, with any football knowledge knows the game really slows down after 5 years for most QBs. I think within two years, Eli will have a Pro Bowl, and if the G-men get a true No1 WR, and some help in the defensive backfield, he may get a SB too. And by then, perhaps you'll have a more rounded knowledge of of the game, allowing you to join in a more intellectual, unbiased, and honest discourse with other people who enjoy and study the game too.

funny how when every a persons team gets blasted they start using phrases like
"football knowledge" and "intelligent conversation". meaning just because you don't agree you're clearly an idiot or just a troll. My dad and grandfather have both worked for the raider organization for over 20 years while that doesn't make me an expert i grew up with this game. myself i hold a Masters in Psychology so i'd hope i could hold an intellectual conversation even though this is a sports message board where people regularly trash talk. Eli has thrown 77 ints in four years compared to 25 for rivers and 54 for roethlisberger. now explain that. Manning has never had over an 80 QB rating even JP losman did that.

One would think a person with a Masters in Psychology would be able to read. Did you not read what I stated about the constant swirling winds that are trademark at Giants stadium? This is especially true once November hits. As I clearly stated earlier, these winds often make a good QB look bad, and many others even worse. We are not talking about some little tiny wind here, either. These are usually strong, and gusting winds that adversely affect a thrown football. Ask any QB what the worst possible environment is for throwing the football; rain, snow, or wind, and you tell me what he'll tell you. Eli is a young QB, and he's getting better with each and every game. Whether you see that or not is not my problem. You can try and bait me all you want with your uneducated and ridiculous statements about Eli, but all I have to say is I can tell you right now, if John Gruden had his choice of Eli, or Jeff Garcia, he'd take Eli any day of the week...and for that matter, so would Lane Kiffin. And, perhaps your dad, and your grandfather have worked for the Raiders, but I can fully understand why you don't.

Manning looked well today. Seemed to have little pressure on him.

Nice to see the Giants run the ball well and get some turnovers. Huge help and weight off him. He is not a QB that can carry the offense totally like maybe his brother or others, not to me will he develop into that kind of QB, he needs balance, good running game.

Never the less great game and good momentum going into a down Dallas team as of late

Well, I don't have my hopes too high, going into Dallas, who has beat them twice already this year. Still, Dallas has the same questions about it, that the Chargers had until yesterday...specifically, can they win a playoff game? Plus, it is well documented how difficult it is to beat the same team 3 times in a year, so perhaps the Giants can pull it out, although I see Dallas as the clearly superior team talent-wise. Again, it will likely come down to Eli, and as thasavage1 has stated, he is still inconsistent. However, he won't have to contend with any winds in Dallas, so I look for another good game from him. FYI, it has been reported that Burress had a high ankle sprain, which has caused his play to diminish. I have never been a real big fan of his, but after today's report that he's actually playing on an ankle with a detached tendon, I've gained a lot more respect for him. This is an injury that should have him on IR, yet he is still playing, and with Shockey hurt, they would be in dire straits if he weren't.