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PatriotofMaine
Feel free to add yours also. As of 12-26...here is how I would pick (assuming no trades & that Asante Samuel will be gone.)

1-8 James Laurinitis, LB, Ohio State
2-32 DeJuan Tribble, CB, Boston College
3-5 Ryan Torain, RB, Arizona State
3-32 Trevor Laws, DL, Notre Dame
4-32 Terrill Byrd, DL, Cincinnati
5-32 Bear Pascoe, TE, Fresno STate
6-32 Joe Greco, OG, Ohio U.
7-32 Andy Studebaker, DE, Wheaton
bwalker
QUOTE (PatriotofMaine @ Dec 26 2007, 1:16:18 PM) *
Feel free to add yours also. As of 12-26...here is how I would pick (assuming no trades & that Asante Samuel will be gone.)

1-8 James Laurinitis, LB, Ohio State
2-32 DeJuan Tribble, CB, Boston College
3-5 Ryan Torain, RB, Arizona State
3-32 Trevor Laws, DL, Notre Dame
4-32 Terrill Byrd, DL, Cincinnati
5-32 Bear Pascoe, TE, Fresno STate
6-32 Joe Greco, OG, Ohio U.
7-32 Andy Studebaker, DE, Wheaton



Pascoe is a JR unless he declared.
PatriotofMaine
No one has really "declared," or undeclared, and even if they say something, they can always renege on what they've said before 1/15...Pascoe is the one junior I was willing to project a declaration on, but if he doesn't declare, I would take a TE higher.
PackersPwnage
Y do the Pats need to pick 3 D-Lineman?
PatriotofMaine
QUOTE (PackersPwnage @ Dec 27 2007, 6:10:43 AM) *
Y do the Pats need to pick 3 D-Lineman?



Well, Studebaker is an OLB candidate, not really a d-lineman, and both Byrd and Laws provided badly needed roster depth if Richard Seymour continues to have problems staying healthy, and/or becomes a cap casualty.

Run defense is the greatest (and only real) weakness on this team.
unumsanctum
Laws would be a great pick up, he is the only thing that kept the ND defense, or team, together this year--he is a beast.
gpngc
QUOTE (PatriotofMaine @ Dec 27 2007, 7:59:36 AM) *
Run defense is the greatest (and only real) weakness on this team.


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Your team is so annoying...
rich
I have a different take on the draft ---I think that a pass rushing d-lineman would be more beneficial than taking an inside linebacker with the first pick--So, my picks are 1) Sedrick Ellis dt/de USC 2) Jonathan Goff ilb Vanderbilt 3a) Charles Godfrey cb Iowa 3b) Kellen Davis te Michigan State 4) Brandent Engelman s Michigan 5) Tom Santi te Virginia 6) Greyson Gunheim de/olb Washington 7) Ben Hochstein og/ot Nebraska/Omaha--- these are my picks before the first of the year and they are subject to change--BUT--give me some feedback because two tight ends might seem a luxury BUT this year a necessity--thanks for your feedback--rich from newport
rich
As mentioned on the Patriots discussion board, I have changed my opinion since watching the Rose Bowl. Originally, I believed that Sedrick Ellis would make a great addition to the d-line but after watching him play, he is no Vince Wilfork or even close for that matter. I went back to the drawing board and feel that the BEST AVAILABLE PLAYER AT PICK #7 is a junior but it is not James Laurinaitis. My take on the Patriots 7 round mock follows: 1) Ryan Clady ot Boise State 2) Terrence Wheatley cb Colorado 3a) Tavares Gooden ilb/olb Miami (Fl) 3b) Kellen Davis te Michigan State 4) Nick Hayden de/dt Wisconsin 5) Brandent Engelmon s Michigan 6) Greyson Gunheim de/olb Washington 7) Patrick Carter wr Louisville. I think that the Patriots have never been totally pleased with the right side of the line and the opportunity to draft a potential all-pro will far outweigh the need factor in the first round.--thanks for listening --rich from newport
NEpats
QUOTE (rich @ Jan 5 2008, 10:51:11 AM) *
As mentioned on the Patriots discussion board, I have changed my opinion since watching the Rose Bowl. Originally, I believed that Sedrick Ellis would make a great addition to the d-line but after watching him play, he is no Vince Wilfork or even close for that matter. I went back to the drawing board and feel that the BEST AVAILABLE PLAYER AT PICK #7 is a junior but it is not James Laurinaitis. My take on the Patriots 7 round mock follows: 1) Ryan Clady ot Boise State 2) Terrence Wheatley cb Colorado 3a) Tavares Gooden ilb/olb Miami (Fl) 3b) Kellen Davis te Michigan State 4) Nick Hayden de/dt Wisconsin 5) Brandent Engelmon s Michigan 6) Greyson Gunheim de/olb Washington 7) Patrick Carter wr Louisville. I think that the Patriots have never been totally pleased with the right side of the line and the opportunity to draft a potential all-pro will far outweigh the need factor in the first round.--thanks for listening --rich from newport

The Patriots trade their #7 pick to Atlanta for Atlanta's two 2nd round picks this year and their 2nd and 4th next year. My mock assumes Seau retires, Samuel, Wilson, Wright, Washington, Izzo, Kyle Brady, Eckel, Hanson and Stallworth exit. Moss, Gay, Gaffney, Bruschi, Paxton re-sign. No major free agents are added.

I took 5 top draft rating sites and used a weight average to come up with my own rankings. For purposes of my mock, I allowed myself to go up or down 5 spots in the 2nd round, 8 spots in the third round and 10 spots the fourth round and up. Here is my mock.

#35 CB Terrell Thomas - USC 6-1/200/4.50 Ave Rank #38
#48 DT Pat Simms - Auburn 6-4/315/5.00 Ave Rank #48
#63 MLB Shawn Crable - Michigan 6-5/243/4.60 ave Rank #64
#68 OLB Chris Ellis - Virginia Tech 6-4/257/4.70Ave Rank #67
#95 TE Dustin Keller - Purdue 6-2/251/4.70 Ave Rank #96
#127 S Thomas Decoud - Cal 6-1.5/200/4.59 Ave Rank N/A
#159 P Durant Brooks - Georgia Tech 6-0/203/- Ave Rank N/A
#191 WR Marcus Smith - New Mexico 6-1/210/4.53 - Ave Rank N/A
#223 OG Donald Thomas - UConn 6-3.5/294/4.96 - Ave Rank N/A

PatriotofMaine
1-7 Sedrick Ellis, DT, U.S.C.
2-32 Bruce Davis, DE/OLB, U.C.L.A.
3-5 Dwight Lowery, CB, SDSU
3-32 Frank Okam, DT, Texas
4-32 Cory Boyd, RB, South Carolina
5-32 Ben Moffitt, MLB, USF
6-32 Gary Barnidge, TE, Louisville
7-32 Justin Tryon, CB, Arizona State
RedRaider80
QUOTE (PatriotofMaine @ Jan 27 2008, 8:29:30 AM) *
1-7 Sedrick Ellis, DT, U.S.C.
2-32 Bruce Davis, DE/OLB, U.C.L.A.
3-5 Dwight Lowery, CB, SDSU
3-32 Frank Okam, DT, Texas
4-32 Cory Boyd, RB, South Carolina
5-32 Ben Moffitt, MLB, USF
6-32 Gary Barnidge, TE, Louisville
7-32 Justin Tryon, CB, Arizona State


you think that we need okam and ellis? and that okam will fall to late 3rd and moffit to late 5th?
PatriotofMaine
Probably wishful thinking with Okam, but I do think Moffitt may be there because of some off the field concerns.

I'd much rather see Okam and Ellis on the depth chart at D-line than Wright and Smith.

I'd like to be able to say "OK, we're going to shut the run down now," and go with a 4-man front when it's time for that with Seymour kicking out to DE, and Ellis/Wilfork inside, and Ty Warren or Okam on the other end. I'd like to see anybody run on that.
B_rent87
QUOTE (PatriotofMaine @ Jan 27 2008, 1:29:30 PM) *
1-7 Sedrick Ellis, DT, U.S.C.
2-32 Bruce Davis, DE/OLB, U.C.L.A.
3-5 Dwight Lowery, CB, SDSU
3-32 Frank Okam, DT, Texas
4-32 Cory Boyd, RB, South Carolina
5-32 Ben Moffitt, MLB, USF
6-32 Gary Barnidge, TE, Louisville
7-32 Justin Tryon, CB, Arizona State

This would be Scary!
RedRaider80
QUOTE (PatriotofMaine @ Jan 27 2008, 6:45:58 PM) *
Probably wishful thinking with Okam, but I do think Moffitt may be there because of some off the field concerns.

I'd much rather see Okam and Ellis on the depth chart at D-line than Wright and Smith.

I'd like to be able to say "OK, we're going to shut the run down now," and go with a 4-man front when it's time for that with Seymour kicking out to DE, and Ellis/Wilfork inside, and Ty Warren or Okam on the other end. I'd like to see anybody run on that.

running on that D wouldnt be fun for the O. what were moffits off field problems?
NEpats
QUOTE (PatriotofMaine @ Jan 27 2008, 6:45:58 PM) *
Probably wishful thinking with Okam, but I do think Moffitt may be there because of some off the field concerns.

I'd much rather see Okam and Ellis on the depth chart at D-line than Wright and Smith.

I'd like to be able to say "OK, we're going to shut the run down now," and go with a 4-man front when it's time for that with Seymour kicking out to DE, and Ellis/Wilfork inside, and Ty Warren or Okam on the other end. I'd like to see anybody run on that.

After watching the Senior Bowl I too agree that Ellis should be the pick if he is there at #7. He was a beast comanding double-teams and still blowing through the hole to hit the RB in the backfield. I worry about him in a 3-4 not having the size to hold up for an entire game but in a 4-3, he would be frightening. When I watched him, one comparison kept coming to mind - Warren Sapp.

The problem of course is that the Pats rely on the 3-4 to get enough pressure on the QB while dropping 6-7 guys in coverage. This is how the Pats live with less than great DBs. With the loss of their truely great DBs, Samuel and possibly Harrison, the Pats will be much easier to throw on unless they can bring all kinds of pressure with the 4-3. Of course all defenses are situational. If the Pats have time to sub, they can use Ellis on running plays, goal line etc in a 4-3 and to spell Wilfork in the 3-4. The opponent would counter with hurry-up, no huddle and pick our secondary apart.

Still the upside with Ellis is too good to pass. I think the Pats may be able to trade down enough in the 2nd round to get Cromartie who looked very impressive in the Senior Bowl. Jack Ikegwuonu was on my radar at #63 but he blew his ACL and will miss the 2008 season. Why not take him in the 5th and IR him? I've watched Chevis Jackson a few times now in the BCS game and Senior Bowl and he impresses me as a big physical corner. Speed would be my concern but I think he could be had late 3rd, early 4th and would make a nice safety conversion like the Pats did with Wilson. So, here is my mock for now.

#7 Sedrick Ellis -DT
#50 (trade #63, 6th, 7th and 2009 3rd) Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie -CB
#68 Shawn Crable (convert to MLB)
#95 Chevis Jackson (convert to S)
#127 Brad Cottam- TE
#159 Jack Ikegwuonu -CB (hide on IR for 2008)

Done.
bcdrama
That would be anice board but some of those players are likely to go before you pick, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie with a big Combine could be at the tail end of the 1st and only a bad combine moves him past the 1st 5-10 picks of the 2nd, Cottam is gone with a good combine and so is Crable if he runs well, i.e low 4.7s or less. wink.gif
QUOTE (NEpats @ Jan 29 2008, 4:25:34 PM) *
After watching the Senior Bowl I too agree that Ellis should be the pick if he is there at #7. He was a beast comanding double-teams and still blowing through the hole to hit the RB in the backfield. I worry about him in a 3-4 not having the size to hold up for an entire game but in a 4-3, he would be frightening. When I watched him, one comparison kept coming to mind - Warren Sapp.

The problem of course is that the Pats rely on the 3-4 to get enough pressure on the QB while dropping 6-7 guys in coverage. This is how the Pats live with less than great DBs. With the loss of their truely great DBs, Samuel and possibly Harrison, the Pats will be much easier to throw on unless they can bring all kinds of pressure with the 4-3. Of course all defenses are situational. If the Pats have time to sub, they can use Ellis on running plays, goal line etc in a 4-3 and to spell Wilfork in the 3-4. The opponent would counter with hurry-up, no huddle and pick our secondary apart.

Still the upside with Ellis is too good to pass. I think the Pats may be able to trade down enough in the 2nd round to get Cromartie who looked very impressive in the Senior Bowl. Jack Ikegwuonu was on my radar at #63 but he blew his ACL and will miss the 2008 season. Why not take him in the 5th and IR him? I've watched Chevis Jackson a few times now in the BCS game and Senior Bowl and he impresses me as a big physical corner. Speed would be my concern but I think he could be had late 3rd, early 4th and would make a nice safety conversion like the Pats did with Wilson. So, here is my mock for now.

#7 Sedrick Ellis -DT
#50 (trade #63, 6th, 7th and 2009 3rd) Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie -CB
#68 Shawn Crable (convert to MLB)
#95 Chevis Jackson (convert to S)
#127 Brad Cottam- TE
#159 Jack Ikegwuonu -CB (hide on IR for 2008)

Done.

rich
I must weigh in with my latest but probably not my last 7 round mock draft for the Patriots. My feeling is that Bill Belichick/Sciott Pioli like to wait until a linebacker has made an impression before they would surrender a first day (rounds 1-3) pick. Thus I am leaving the linebacker situation for free agency and later round draft picks. The realization that the two best linebackers in the draft (Keith Rivers and Dan Connor) are either too short or too light to be a Patriots linebacker was reinforced when I watched the Senior Bowl. In addition, I think that Rivers lacks the instincts that Connor appears to have but Connor lacks the speed that Rivers has. All in all, it was a Senior Bowl that opened my eyes to some flaws that were barely mentioned before. As far as Sedrick Ellis--too short to ever play defensive end and in my opinion, a classic 4-3 one gap pass rushing defensive tackle who just does not fit what I expect the Patriots to accomplish with this draft. In addition, he just may have played his way into one of the top 5 draft positions. Cornerback is another area to consider BUT I believe this is the position that has the most depth in this draft and a 3rd or 4th round pick could be as successful as a 1st or 2nd rounder. It is my contention, at this moment that the Patriots would love to draft Aqib Talib from Kansas but not at pick #7. However, they would consider a trade up in round two if he was still available (but my guess is not available). I think the Patriots take the category of PBU's into great consideration when dealing with cornerbacks as well as the all important "instincts". There certainly is a risk/reward scenario that cornerbacks must consider in playing the position. Ty Law and Asante Samuel have both mastered the risk/reward while Ellis Hobbs has not. With all of this said--here is my latest 7 round mock 1)pick #7 Kenny Phillips fs/ss Miami (Fla) 2) Patriots trade pick #64 and pick #96 to the Redskins for a 2nd round pick in 2009 and pick #85 3) pick #68 or #69 Red Bryant de/dt Texas A&M 4) pick #85 Brad Cottam te Tennessee 5) pick #128 Terrence Wheatley cb Colorado 6) pick #160 Thomas Brown rb Georgia 7) pick #192 Jameel McClain ilb/de Syracuse 8) pick #224 Adam Kraus og/c Michigan------I don't want to get into any of my rationale right now BUT I believe that Bill Belichick/Scott Pioli have a preference for SEC, Big 10, Big 12 and ACC players. This may very well be because their scouting system is based in the East but it is just my gut feeling that players from the West Coast would have to drop considerably before they are taken ahead of an East Coast prospect. Two players that they recently drafted from the west coast did have at least a two round drop from expectations prior to the draft (Tully Banta-Cain and Ryan O'Callaghan) The other West Coaster was a player that actually went the other way on the Pats board and rose two rounds just a few weeks prior to the draft (James Sanders) after the Patriots had him in for two interviews as well as having the coach's honest opinion (Pat Hill). This is how I see it right now with any holes created by retirement/renegotiation filled by free agency--thanks for listening--rich from newport
NEpats
I think the Patriots may consider Calais Campbell at #7 or even if they move down to say #14. Hear me out. I can hear the abuse coming. I remember when Seymour was drafted at #6, a lot of people thought that was too high, that Seymour was too tall and not heavy enough to be a DT in the Pats 3-4. Campbell is 6-8/280 and runs a blistering 4.75 as a DE. He's only a junior and the real cool thing is he has the frame and time to bulk up before being called into service.

The Pats D-line is stable until 2009 when they will likely lose Seymour. Green and Wilfork will become F/As. I think Wilfork will be a priority and a franchise tage at worst after 2009. Taking Campbell now would give him two years to bulk up and learn the complex Pats D. After 2009, it would be as if Campbell just finished his first year in the league since he came out early. He'll play some situational snaps and get his feet wet over the next two seasons. After 2009 when Seymour is gone Campbell will be ready to take over and dominate.

NEpats
Here's my latest masterpiece mock. The Pats trade with the Bears flipping firsts. The Pats get the Bears 2nd #44 and give the Bears their third #95. The Bears move up to take Matt Ryan fearing that either the Ravens or Panthers may take him. I now believe Ryan will slip past the first 6 teams now that Sedrick Ellis has become a top 5 pick. The Jets will take either Gholston, Jenkins or Connor.

#14 Calais Campbell DT Miami Campbell is an inch or two taller than Seymour and about the same weight when Seymour was taken. As a Junior, Campbell is young and will be given time to bulk up. Seymour is 6-6/310 and Campbell could easily become 330 without losing much of a step. If he cannot add the bulk he would still be an explosive DE to replace Green in two years. Although he won't start right away, Campbell will see plenty of action and have the time to develop.

#44 Martellus Bennett TE Texas A&M The Pat can't keep signing tight ends off the street to fill in for oft injured Ben Watson and David Thomas. Kyle Brady is cut after June 1 to free up some cap. A solid back-up TE is needed.

#63 Justin King CB Penn State

#68 Beau Bell - MLB UNLV

#127 Tom Zbikowski S Notre Dame

#159 Jack Ikegwuonu CB Wisconsin After tearing his ACL during the Senior Bowl and projected to miss the entire 2008 season, most teams pass on him. The Pats feel he is worth a 5th round pick just to see if he can come back plus he can be hidden on IR and not cost a roster spot.

#191 Mike Dragosavich P North Dakota State. If he can beat out Chris Hanson, the Pats can save about $300K on the cap.

#223 Mr. Irrelevant. No need to name him now as we won't get to know him anyway.

PatriotofMaine
Not bad bro! Not bad at all! However, I am not going to project trades because...well...because you really can't. I am assuming that either Bruschi or Seau is not back, and Kelly Washington and one WR above his pay grade also are let go, but that we bring Samuel back. Based on what I saw in the Super Bowl, this is my latest projection, again, without trades:


1-7 Sedrick Ellis, DT, U.S.C.
2-31 John Carlson, TE, Notre Dame
3-5 Heath Benedict, ROT, Newberry College
3-31 Cory Boyd, RB, South Carolina
4-31 Davone Bess, WR, Hawaii
5-31 Ben Moffitt, MLB, USF
6-31 Rodrick Johnson, LB, Texas
7-31 Rudolph Hardie, DE, Howard
IRISHBOY
QUOTE (PatriotofMaine @ Feb 9 2008, 2:34:57 PM) *
Not bad bro! Not bad at all! However, I am not going to project trades because...well...because you really can't. I am assuming that either Bruschi or Seau is not back, and Kelly Washington and one WR above his pay grade also are let go, but that we bring Samuel back. Based on what I saw in the Super Bowl, this is my latest projection, again, without trades:


1-7 Sedrick Ellis, DT, U.S.C.
2-31 John Carlson, TE, Notre Dame
3-5 Heath Benedict, ROT, Newberry College
3-31 Cory Boyd, RB, South Carolina
4-31 Davone Bess, WR, Hawaii
5-31 Ben Moffitt, MLB, USF
6-31 Rodrick Johnson, LB, Texas
7-31 Rudolph Hardie, DE, Howard



i love the mofitt and benedict picks. the are ttwo payers i want
t_HOG33
QUOTE (gpngc @ Dec 27 2007, 11:37:06 PM) *
dry.gif

Your team is so annoying...



lol i agree
rich
Well, it is once again time for me to shed some light on my latest draft scenario--if this keeps up I will have had every position covered for pick #7 except QB and Matt Ryan might be available--What I try to do is look at the Patriots areas of urgency and try to project a round where there might be numerous players at the same position and with similar skill sets. This allows the Patriots to have an option to move up if this position gets busy or move down if this position has no takers. I try to have two players projected prior to the Patriots pick and two players who are ranked after the Patriots pick. This gives a clear choice of 4 players at a particular position that the Patriots may have ranked differently than I do but it gives them options when that round is on the board. In addition, the Patriots do not belong to either of the two major scouting organizations--BLESTO or the NATIONAL--but are one of five teams with their own independant scouting system. Most recently, I have seen the following players aligned with the Patriots at pick #7--Ryan Clady, Sedrick Ellis, Derrick Harvey/Vernon Gholston and Dan Connor/Keith Rivers. Personally, I have used three of these players in my various seven round mocks BUT I was never comfortable with my completed package. The reason was that I have never been comfortable with where I was picking a cornerback for the Patriots--beginning of round 3--end of round 3--or round 4. AND I was not happy with the players in and around those picks either so in some cases I was reaching a little for a player that I thought was a better fit. The Patriots have more issues than most people think because of the time that it takes to become familiar with their system. Very few rookies can come into the league and grasp the terminology instantly while trying to account for the complete change in the tempo of the game. It is a one to two year trial period so I was quite surprised with the Patriots lack of urgency last year. If you look at what the NY GIANTS did in the late rounds--I can see why they seemed to play better at the end of the season as their rookies matured. ENOUGH of the monologue--Because I have not been comfortable with my cornerbacks, I have decided that is where to start. The Patriots will have the pick of any cornerback in this draft and with their scouts at the Senior Bowl, I hope they saw what I am feeling. THE BEST CORNERBACK--IN MY OPINION--IN THIS DRAFT will be selected by the Patriots at pick #7--The Patriots select Leodis McKelvin cb Troy--the rest of my 7 round mock to follow--thanks for listening--rich from newport
rich
My complete 7 round mock--1) Leodis McKelvin cb Troy 2) Martin Rucker te Missouri 3a) Cliff Avril de/olb Purdue 3b) Mike McGlynn og/ot Pittsburgh 4)Vince Hall ilb Virginia Tech 5) Jamie Silva ss Boston College 6) Craig Stevens te California 7) Andre Callender rb Boston College-----Two tight ends might seem like a luxury BUT this year we signed two tight ends off the street during the course of the season and Craig Stevens is considered the BEST BLOCKING tight end in the draft. I am expecting a decent 40 time from Vince Hall BUT you could substitute Spencer Larson, Ben Moffitt or Thomas Williams (USC). The defensive line has not been upgraded but the 2009 draft and two years of free agency hopefully can put a dent into that. This is a 7 rounder trying take a couple pieces of the puzzle and make them whole--thanks for listening--rich from newport
jerry14
QUOTE (PatriotofMaine @ Feb 9 2008, 3:34:57 PM) *
Not bad bro! Not bad at all! However, I am not going to project trades because...well...because you really can't. I am assuming that either Bruschi or Seau is not back, and Kelly Washington and one WR above his pay grade also are let go, but that we bring Samuel back. Based on what I saw in the Super Bowl, this is my latest projection, again, without trades:


1-7 Sedrick Ellis, DT, U.S.C.
2-31 John Carlson, TE, Notre Dame
3-5 Heath Benedict, ROT, Newberry College
3-31 Cory Boyd, RB, South Carolina
4-31 Davone Bess, WR, Hawaii
5-31 Ben Moffitt, MLB, USF
6-31 Rodrick Johnson, LB, Texas
7-31 Rudolph Hardie, DE, Howard


HAH!!! All this wishful thinking Ellis would be there at #7. Poor Patriot fans. He wont escape the top 3/4 Depending on where the Raiders pick wink.gif.
rich
My thought process is working overtime--even though it shouldn't on the weekend--and I did a quick 1-6 draft and found that Matty Ice (Matt Ryan) was still available at pick #7. There are four (4) teams within a shouting range of pick #7 that will be chomping at the bit for a quarterback--1) pick #8 Baltimore 2) pick #13 Carolina 3) pick #14 Chicago and 4) pick #15 Detroit. The Patriots need to see how far they could possibly move and still be able to draft Leodis McKelvin. The teams between the Ravens (pick #8) and the Panthers (pick #13) are Cincinnati (#9), New Orleans(#10), Buffalo(#11), and Denver(#12). Denver needs help other than cornerback as does Cincinnati. So the two teams that could put a squeeze on the Patriots are New Orleans and Buffalo. My feeling is that either one or both of these teams might go cornerback in round one if no cornerbacks are off the board. New Orleans for sure will go with a defensive back (possibly Kenny Phillips or the top rated corner). If Buffalo also goes corner then the possibility exists that the Patriots would be selecting the third best corner in the draft when they had the option to select the best. My feeling is that the Patriots will entertain offers from the last three teams and use these offers as trump cards in order to get the Ravens to part with an extra draft pick in the fourth or fifth rounds just to switch positions from #8 to #7. This accomplishes one goal for the Patriots--trade down and get an extra pick--and also keeps them in the position of drafting the #1 cornerback in the draft--Leodis McKelvin--but at pick #8--thanks for listening--rich from newport
jerry14
QUOTE (rich @ Feb 10 2008, 2:20:58 AM) *
My thought process is working overtime--even though it shouldn't on the weekend--and I did a quick 1-6 draft and found that Matty Ice (Matt Ryan) was still available at pick #7. There are four (4) teams within a shouting range of pick #7 that will be chomping at the bit for a quarterback--1) pick #8 Baltimore 2) pick #13 Carolina 3) pick #14 Chicago and 4) pick #15 Detroit. The Patriots need to see how far they could possibly move and still be able to draft Leodis McKelvin. The teams between the Ravens (pick #8) and the Panthers (pick #13) are Cincinnati (#9), New Orleans(#10), Buffalo(#11), and Denver(#12). Denver needs help other than cornerback as does Cincinnati. So the two teams that could put a squeeze on the Patriots are New Orleans and Buffalo. My feeling is that either one or both of these teams might go cornerback in round one if no cornerbacks are off the board. New Orleans for sure will go with a defensive back (possibly Kenny Phillips or the top rated corner). If Buffalo also goes corner then the possibility exists that the Patriots would be selecting the third best corner in the draft when they had the option to select the best. My feeling is that the Patriots will entertain offers from the last three teams and use these offers as trump cards in order to get the Ravens to part with an extra draft pick in the fourth or fifth rounds just to switch positions from #8 to #7. This accomplishes one goal for the Patriots--trade down and get an extra pick--and also keeps them in the position of drafting the #1 cornerback in the draft--Leodis McKelvin--but at pick #8--thanks for listening--rich from newport


If Ryan is there at #7 the Ravens know the Pats wont take him so they woud stay put. and only way they trade up is for Ghlosten. Who wont be there.
rich
You just don't get it---I'm not saying the Patriots draft Matt Ryan--I'm saying the Patriots offer the pick to other teams that need a quarterback so they will jump ahead of Baltimore and into the #7 slot. To prevent this the Ravens grab the #7 spot for themselves--The Patriots did the same thing when they drafted Ty Warren because the Bears were shopping pick #13 and the Patriots had pick #14. In order to prevent someone else from slipping ahead of them, the Patriots offered the Bears a 4th round pick to move up one slot. As it turns out, the Jets were on the phone to make an offer to the Bears but the Patriots beat them to the punch. There is nothing to say the Patriots couldn't trade the pick to the Bears who need a QB and what would the Ravens do then--I hope this clarifies why the Ravens might want to move one spot--to secure the player they desperately need and to prevent another team from jumping ahead of them--thanks for listening--rich from newport
NEpats
QUOTE (rich @ Feb 9 2008, 3:11:21 PM) *
My complete 7 round mock--1) Leodis McKelvin cb Troy 2) Martin Rucker te Missouri 3a) Cliff Avril de/olb Purdue 3b) Mike McGlynn og/ot Pittsburgh 4)Vince Hall ilb Virginia Tech 5) Jamie Silva ss Boston College 6) Craig Stevens te California 7) Andre Callender rb Boston College-----Two tight ends might seem like a luxury BUT this year we signed two tight ends off the street during the course of the season and Craig Stevens is considered the BEST BLOCKING tight end in the draft. I am expecting a decent 40 time from Vince Hall BUT you could substitute Spencer Larson, Ben Moffitt or Thomas Williams (USC). The defensive line has not been upgraded but the 2009 draft and two years of free agency hopefully can put a dent into that. This is a 7 rounder trying take a couple pieces of the puzzle and make them whole--thanks for listening--rich from newport

Rich,

I like the top of your board but think #7 is too high for McKelvin. Love Rucker too. Never thought of Avril as a LB conversion but you're right he played some LB in college. I think you have Avril a little high but great idea. I know it is unfair but the Pats have shown a knack for moving around in the draft to get the right player at the right price.

Here are my assumptions. Samuel, Bruschi, Seau and Brown leave.

Pats trade #7 to either Carolina or Chicago by flipping firsts and getting a 3rd and 2009 3rd.

#14 Derrick Harvey DE/LB
Trade #62 and #75 to move up into #38-40 range.
#40 DR Cromartie CB who slips a little due to depth at CB
#68 Martin Rucker TE
#94 Tom Zbikowski S
#127 Eddie Royal WR


jerry14
QUOTE (rich @ Feb 10 2008, 1:42:24 AM) *
You just don't get it---I'm not saying the Patriots draft Matt Ryan--I'm saying the Patriots offer the pick to other teams that need a quarterback so they will jump ahead of Baltimore and into the #7 slot. To prevent this the Ravens grab the #7 spot for themselves--The Patriots did the same thing when they drafted Ty Warren because the Bears were shopping pick #13 and the Patriots had pick #14. In order to prevent someone else from slipping ahead of them, the Patriots offered the Bears a 4th round pick to move up one slot. As it turns out, the Jets were on the phone to make an offer to the Bears but the Patriots beat them to the punch. There is nothing to say the Patriots couldn't trade the pick to the Bears who need a QB and what would the Ravens do then--I hope this clarifies why the Ravens might want to move one spot--to secure the player they desperately need and to prevent another team from jumping ahead of them--thanks for listening--rich from newport


You can pretty much count out the Bears for moving up for any pick. Panthers are set where they are and QB is not their biggest need, so why move up to take a player you dont overly need and then give up more picks. To be honest I dont see the Lions moving up for Ryan ethier they drafted Stanton, sure he was not what they expected but they now have a new coordinator and they cant dismiss him that fast. It is also very hard to trade down from inside the top 10. The Pats will try, but with no succes
jerry14
QUOTE (NEpats @ Feb 10 2008, 4:42:54 AM) *
Rich,

I like the top of your board but think #7 is too high for McKelvin. Love Rucker too. Never thought of Avril as a LB conversion but you're right he played some LB in college. I think you have Avril a little high but great idea. I know it is unfair but the Pats have shown a knack for moving around in the draft to get the right player at the right price.

Here are my assumptions. Samuel, Bruschi, Seau and Brown leave.

Pats trade #7 to either Carolina or Chicago by flipping firsts and getting a 3rd and 2009 3rd.

#14 Derrick Harvey DE/LB
Trade #62 and #75 to move up into #38-40 range.
#40 DR Cromartie CB who slips a little due to depth at CB
#68 Martin Rucker TE
#94 Tom Zbikowski S
#127 Eddie Royal WR


Good luck with trying to get Cro at #40. And McKelvin is definatly worth a top 10 pick.
rich
Just a cautionary note---one website has the following order for cornerbacks--1) Leodis McKelvin 2) Michael Jenkins 3) Dominique Rogers-Cromartie 4) Aqib Talib 5) Tracey Porter 6) Patrick Lee 7) Reggie Smith and 8) Antoine Cason---THE CAUTIONARY NOTE IS THAT THEY HAVE THEM ALL PROJECTED TO GO IN THE FIRST ROUND--I may not agree BUT once a run starts on cornerbacks, it may be hard to stop--with the Patriots urgency at that position, why not select the #1 cornerback on your board instead of a potential #12 or #13 if you wait until round 2--thanks for listening--rich from newport
NEpats
QUOTE (rich @ Feb 10 2008, 3:45:09 AM) *
Just a cautionary note---one website has the following order for cornerbacks--1) Leodis McKelvin 2) Michael Jenkins 3) Dominique Rogers-Cromartie 4) Aqib Talib 5) Tracey Porter 6) Patrick Lee 7) Reggie Smith and 8) Antoine Cason---THE CAUTIONARY NOTE IS THAT THEY HAVE THEM ALL PROJECTED TO GO IN THE FIRST ROUND--I may not agree BUT once a run starts on cornerbacks, it may be hard to stop--with the Patriots urgency at that position, why not select the #1 cornerback on your board instead of a potential #12 or #13 if you wait until round 2--thanks for listening--rich from newport

Point taken, the Ravens, Lions, and Bills all need CBs and could go with McKelvin, Jenkins and DRC before the Pats now pick at #14. My new draft addresses this.

There are two keys to the draft as far as the Patriots are concerned at #7 IMHO. The first is whether or not Ellis is there. If he is, I think it is a no-brainer and the Pats take him. If he is not there the second key is whether or not Matt Ryan is still there. Although the Dolphins, Falcons and Chiefs all need a QB, I think they pass on Ryan to meet other needs. The concern is with the Jets. Do the Jets take Ryan, Clady or Gholston? Since the Jets need both DL and OLB help, I think Gholston is their man especially when they think the Pats want him. Chad Pennington is not a bad QB ranking in the middle of the pack.

For the sake of this argument, let's assume Ryan slips to the Pats at #7. This puts the Pats in a great trade position. With Baltimore next the Panthers (13) and Bears (14) both needing a QB would be concerned. They have to forget about waiting until round 2, the top QBs will be gone before either team picks again. There are four teams picking in front of the Panthers and Bears that all need QBs and I expect a run on them early in Round 2. Brohme, Henne, Flacco and Woodson should all be off the board by the time the Panthers and Bears select again. Knowing this, I think the Bears make the move since the Panthers are hoping Ryan slips past Baltimore with no team between them who needs a QB. The Bears cannot go into another season without getting a franchise QB. The trade is made. The Bears get from the Patriots, #7 and #62. The Patriots get #14, #44 and #75. The draft trade points are perfect.

With the new draft order the Patriots select.

#14 Aqib Talib CB Kansas 6-1/195/4.50 Talib could be the best cover corner in the draft given his size. He is an excellent return man, has played a little WR and a ball hawk leading the Big 12 with 6 picks in '06. Talib immediately steps in if Samuel is gone otherwise he battles Ellis Hobbs for a starting spot and takes over for Welker in the return game.

#44 James Hardy WR Indiana 6-5.5/220/4.50 Randy Moss is already talking about his uncertainty. If the Pats don't reach an agreement, look for Moss to be franchised and unhappy with his $7.7MM tag. The Pats will not keep an unhappy Moss so Moss could become trade bait. At $7.7MM a lot of teams would be interested assuming Moss wants to leave at this point. If he stays with the Pats, the loss of Stallworth, Washington, Brown and possibly Gaffney still make WR a big need. One of the tallest receivers in the draft is James Hardy. He is money around the end zone. While not as fast, he is taller than Moss and has great hands and leaping ability.

#68 John Carlson TE Notre Dame 6-5/259/4.70 The Pats are thrilled to get one of the top TEs in the draft. David Thomas can't stay on the field and Ben Watson tends to miss at least 3-4 games a year with injury. The Pats can ill afford to be signing TEs off the street in December. Carlson has good hands and is a decent blocker. He would be the perfect #2 TE and can start when Watson goes down.

#75 Red Bryant DT Texas A&M 6-4.5/330/5.25 The Pats could filp flop picks 68 and 75 depending on how the board is looking. Red had a monster Senior Bowl. He has the perfect size to play in the Pats 3-4. If Bryant slips this far he would be a great pick and a nice hedge should Seymour not return to form. The knock on Bryant is that he seems to take plays off on occasion. I did not see that in the Senior Bowl. Used in situations, Red could spell Warren and Seymour keeping everyone fresh and be ready to start when Seymour becomes a F/A after 2009.

#94 Ezra Butler-Bryant LB Nevada 6-2/247/4.53 A tackling machine, Butler has tremendous speed and enough size to play inside or outside in the Pats 3-4. This would be the highest the Patriots take a LB in the BB/SP era. With the retirement of Seau and possibly Bruschi, the Pats cannot pin their hopes entirely on Lua and Alexander so they take Butler at the end of Round 3.

#126 Tom Zbikowski S Notre Dame 6-1/207 Nobody has this kid in their top 100. All he does is make plays for Charlie Weiss. With the possible retirement of Harrison and likely F/A loss of Wilson, safety is a need. Zbikowski is a tough-nosed safety who can play in the box to stop the run or defend the middle. Make no mistake, this kid can play and will contribute right away on special teams while waiting for his chance should Meriweather not be up to the challenge.
bcdrama
The 1st 2 rounds will see MANY CBs taken, some of which will project to FS, [Chevis Jackson might, etc.] 12-15 may go in the 1st 2 rounds, more are not impossible. wink.gif
QUOTE (rich @ Feb 10 2008, 9:45:09 AM) *
Just a cautionary note---one website has the following order for cornerbacks--1) Leodis McKelvin 2) Michael Jenkins 3) Dominique Rogers-Cromartie 4) Aqib Talib 5) Tracey Porter 6) Patrick Lee 7) Reggie Smith and 8) Antoine Cason---THE CAUTIONARY NOTE IS THAT THEY HAVE THEM ALL PROJECTED TO GO IN THE FIRST ROUND--I may not agree BUT once a run starts on cornerbacks, it may be hard to stop--with the Patriots urgency at that position, why not select the #1 cornerback on your board instead of a potential #12 or #13 if you wait until round 2--thanks for listening--rich from newport

packfan36450
QUOTE (NEpats @ Feb 10 2008, 10:48:14 AM) *
Point taken, the Ravens, Lions, and Bills all need CBs and could go with McKelvin, Jenkins and DRC before the Pats now pick at #14. My new draft addresses this.

There are two keys to the draft as far as the Patriots are concerned at #7 IMHO. The first is whether or not Ellis is there. If he is, I think it is a no-brainer and the Pats take him. If he is not there the second key is whether or not Matt Ryan is still there. Although the Dolphins, Falcons and Chiefs all need a QB, I think they pass on Ryan to meet other needs. The concern is with the Jets. Do the Jets take Ryan, Clady or Gholston? Since the Jets need both DL and OLB help, I think Gholston is their man especially when they think the Pats want him. Chad Pennington is not a bad QB ranking in the middle of the pack.

For the sake of this argument, let's assume Ryan slips to the Pats at #7. This puts the Pats in a great trade position. With Baltimore next the Panthers (13) and Bears (14) both needing a QB would be concerned. They have to forget about waiting until round 2, the top QBs will be gone before either team picks again. There are four teams picking in front of the Panthers and Bears that all need QBs and I expect a run on them early in Round 2. Brohme, Henne, Flacco and Woodson should all be off the board by the time the Panthers and Bears select again. Knowing this, I think the Bears make the move since the Panthers are hoping Ryan slips past Baltimore with no team between them who needs a QB. The Bears cannot go into another season without getting a franchise QB. The trade is made. The Bears get from the Patriots, #7 and #62. The Patriots get #14, #44 and #75. The draft trade points are perfect.

With the new draft order the Patriots select.

#14 Aqib Talib CB Kansas 6-1/195/4.50 Talib could be the best cover corner in the draft given his size. He is an excellent return man, has played a little WR and a ball hawk leading the Big 12 with 6 picks in '06. Talib immediately steps in if Samuel is gone otherwise he battles Ellis Hobbs for a starting spot and takes over for Welker in the return game.

#44 James Hardy WR Indiana 6-5.5/220/4.50 Randy Moss is already talking about his uncertainty. If the Pats don't reach an agreement, look for Moss to be franchised and unhappy with his $7.7MM tag. The Pats will not keep an unhappy Moss so Moss could become trade bait. At $7.7MM a lot of teams would be interested assuming Moss wants to leave at this point. If he stays with the Pats, the loss of Stallworth, Washington, Brown and possibly Gaffney still make WR a big need. One of the tallest receivers in the draft is James Hardy. He is money around the end zone. While not as fast, he is taller than Moss and has great hands and leaping ability.

#68 John Carlson TE Notre Dame 6-5/259/4.70 The Pats are thrilled to get one of the top TEs in the draft. David Thomas can't stay on the field and Ben Watson tends to miss at least 3-4 games a year with injury. The Pats can ill afford to be signing TEs off the street in December. Carlson has good hands and is a decent blocker. He would be the perfect #2 TE and can start when Watson goes down.

#75 Red Bryant DT Texas A&M 6-4.5/330/5.25 The Pats could filp flop picks 68 and 75 depending on how the board is looking. Red had a monster Senior Bowl. He has the perfect size to play in the Pats 3-4. If Bryant slips this far he would be a great pick and a nice hedge should Seymour not return to form. The knock on Bryant is that he seems to take plays off on occasion. I did not see that in the Senior Bowl. Used in situations, Red could spell Warren and Seymour keeping everyone fresh and be ready to start when Seymour becomes a F/A after 2009.

#94 Ezra Butler-Bryant LB Nevada 6-2/247/4.53 A tackling machine, Butler has tremendous speed and enough size to play inside or outside in the Pats 3-4. This would be the highest the Patriots take a LB in the BB/SP era. With the retirement of Seau and possibly Bruschi, the Pats cannot pin their hopes entirely on Lua and Alexander so they take Butler at the end of Round 3.

#126 Tom Zbikowski S Notre Dame 6-1/207 Nobody has this kid in their top 100. All he does is make plays for Charlie Weiss. With the possible retirement of Harrison and likely F/A loss of Wilson, safety is a need. Zbikowski is a tough-nosed safety who can play in the box to stop the run or defend the middle. Make no mistake, this kid can play and will contribute right away on special teams while waiting for his chance should Meriweather not be up to the challenge.

As a fan of IU and ND you guys would be lucky to get Hardy Zbikowski and Carlson but it wont happen. Especially Hardy and Carlson who won't last that long sorry
PatriotofMaine
Update with the Combine results from day 1-2 included:

1-7 Derrick Harvey, DL, Florida
2-31 Kellen Davis, TE, Michigan State
3-5 Heath Benedict, ROT, Newberry College
3-31 Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia
4-31 J Leman, LB, Illinois
5-31 Dennis Keyes, S, UCLA
6-31 Rodrick Johnson, LB, Texas
7-31 Rudolph Hardie, DE, Howard
Mr. Knowitall
QUOTE (PatriotofMaine @ Feb 25 2008, 10:19:36 AM) *
Update with the Combine results from day 1-2 included:

1-7 Derrick Harvey, DL, Florida
2-31 Kellen Davis, TE, Michigan State
3-5 Heath Benedict, ROT, Newberry College
3-31 Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia
4-31 J Leman, LB, Illinois
5-31 Dennis Keyes, S, UCLA
6-31 Rodrick Johnson, LB, Texas
7-31 Rudolph Hardie, DE, Howard

I think Benedict could play LOT and he may end up in the 2nd after the combine.
chiefsfan27
QUOTE (Mr. Knowitall @ Feb 25 2008, 4:41:15 PM) *
I think Benedict could play LOT and he may end up in the 2nd after the combine.


Benedict is soo sick if anyone thinks otherwise I'll fight you
PatriotofMaine
QUOTE (Mr. Knowitall @ Feb 25 2008, 4:41:15 PM) *
I think Benedict could play LOT and he may end up in the 2nd after the combine.



Yea...I agree.

Pick #67 is almost round two anyway.

He would start at ROT for the Pats for a couple years, and then maybe slide over to LOT when Light starts to show his gray beard.
IRISHBOY
QUOTE (PatriotofMaine @ Feb 25 2008, 9:14:57 PM) *
Yea...I agree.

Pick #67 is almost round two anyway.

He would start at ROT for the Pats for a couple years, and then maybe slide over to LOT when Light starts to show his gray beard.



i want benedict
Mr. Knowitall
QUOTE (IRISHBOY @ Feb 25 2008, 7:06:28 PM) *
i want benedict

I want Benedict for the Rams too, he is a great athlete at LT(4.93 40) and is a huge mauler.
PatriotofMaine
Well, with Asante Samuel reportedly gone: http://blastmagazine.com/2008/02/source-as...-samuel-eagles/

...I need to readjust. Here is how it looks with the Combine results all in:



1-7 Derrick Harvey, DL, Florida
2-31 Kellen Davis, TE, Michigan State
3-5 Heath Benedict, ROT, Newberry College
3-31 Terrence Wheatley, CB, Colorado
4-31 J Leman, LB, Illinois
5-31 Anthony Alridge, RB, Houston
6-31 Rodrick Johnson, LB, Texas
7-31 Rudolph Hardie, DE, Howard
PatriotofMaine
Well, the loss of both Asante Samuel and Randall Gay certainly has raised the need for a couple of new CBs significantly. Additionally, letting go Roosevelt Colvin and missing out on Lance Briggs in free agency keeps LB a high priority as well. Therefore, I have readjusted my 7-round mock as follows:

1-7 Dominiqie Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State
2-31 Jonathan Goff, LB, Vanderbilt
3-5 Heath Benedict, ROT, Newberry College
3-31 Terrence Wheatley, CB, Colorado
4-31 J Leman, LB, Illinois
5-31 Anthony Alridge, RB, Houston
6-31 Rodrick Johnson, LB, Texas
7-31 Rudolph Hardie, DE, Howard
packfan36450
QUOTE (PatriotofMaine @ Mar 3 2008, 9:51:43 AM) *
Well, the loss of both Asante Samuel and Randall Gay certainly has raised the need for a couple of new CBs significantly. Additionally, letting go Roosevelt Colvin and missing out on Lance Briggs in free agency keeps LB a high priority as well. Therefore, I have readjusted my 7-round mock as follows:

1-7 Dominiqie Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State
2-31 Jonathan Goff, LB, Vanderbilt
3-5 Heath Benedict, ROT, Newberry College
3-31 Terrence Wheatley, CB, Colorado
4-31 J Leman, LB, Illinois
5-31 Anthony Alridge, RB, Houston
6-31 Rodrick Johnson, LB, Texas
7-31 Rudolph Hardie, DE, Howard


Isn't that wayy to high for cromartie? I don't think any of the corners in this draft are worthy of that high a pick but I'd go for Leodis McKelvin over DRC.
PatriotofMaine
QUOTE (packfan36450 @ Mar 3 2008, 12:01:18 PM) *
Isn't that wayy to high for cromartie? I don't think any of the corners in this draft are worthy of that high a pick but I'd go for Leodis McKelvin over DRC.


"Way high?" No...we have him slotted as the 9th best player in the draft. Of course, I'd rather trade back and get him at #9, then to stay at #7 and get him, but I am not sure we will have that option.

packfan36450
I don't think he's a top 20 player, he his just verrry athletic.
Mr. Knowitall
QUOTE (packfan36450 @ Mar 3 2008, 6:04:26 PM) *
I don't think he's a top 20 player, he his just verrry athletic.

The guy runs a 4.29 with a vertical of 38.5 inches at 6-1.5, he has some great ball skills and has the same if not more ability as his cousin.
PatriotofMaine
What would you all think of the rumored trade between the Pats and Eagles that would send CB Lito Sheppard and the #19 pick to New England for the 7th pick?
PatriotofMaine
The more I look at this, the more I like it:

1-7 Dominiqie Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State
2-31 Jonathan Goff, LB, Vanderbilt
3-5 Heath Benedict, ROT, Newberry College
3-31 Terrence Wheatley, CB, Colorado
4-31 J Leman, LB, Illinois
5-31 Anthony Alridge, RB, Houston
6-31 Rodrick Johnson, LB, Texas
7-31 Rudolph Hardie, DE, Howard

Now, if we should sign the other UNLV linebacker, Adam Seward, we could go luxury with our 4th rounder, but rumors are that Seward would cost us a 5th...
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