What do you guys think we should do during this offseason? I believe that we've made some pretty good moves so far. Putting the franchise tag on Corey may have been a little costly, but he's a very good DT. I think he's much better than Pickett. The only problem with this move is that it keeps the bad 1st round pick, Justin Harrell, on the bench for longer. Franks has been good for us throughout the years, but he's not worth his pay at this point. It was time to let him go. What do you guys think we should do looking ahead, in the draft and signing free agents?

No opinions?

I think sooner or later we are going to have to pick up a young long snapper. I do think we should resign Rob Davis, but how much longer is he going to be able to keep doing it. I think we should be able to pick up someone in the later rounds so when Rob Davis does finally retire we won't have someone horrible trying to get the job done. Many games are lost by a bad snap.

Let's draft Keith Rivers!!

Even though we have pick 30, I think we are in pretty good position to pick up a good player.

What do we do if Owen Schmit, Peyton Hillis, or Jacob Hester is available in the third,which I figure at least one will? Do we take one of them or do you think we should stick with Korey Hall?

Stick with Hall and Kuhn. Use the 3rd on another need.

I agree. Hall and Kuhn are perfectly suitable as far as FBs go, especially since FBs don't play in that many snaps in our system.

Lol, let's just hope that the USC stud falls to us.

I am starting to like the cornerback Rodgers-Cromartie.

I think that since we are aging at the cb position with Harris and Woodson we should go cb late in the 1st rd but who? Smith? Jenkins? Talib? Cason? Ive seen drafts with each one going to us. And hear they say Rodgers-Cromartie so who is it? If Jenkins is still there then I think we take him but i dont think he will be I think wat will be left of these will be Smith and Rodgers Cromartie and I like both wat do yall think?

I'm starting to like him too. But i have a feeling he'll be picked before us since he had a great combine.

Don't get too excited over his good combine. Even before the combine, we all knew that his best trait was his athleticism. I expected him to have a great combine. But let's see if he can bump and run with the receivers and make the decisions out on the field.

Is Favre gone??? Earlier today there was an article on the Packers website saying he had retired, but that has since gone...Is an announcement coming today? Does anyone know?

Yes he can bump and run and he supports against run, he has good ball skills; it's playing off man and zone where he doesn't have experience. At his level he blanketed guys and dared them to try to run by him and they could not.

He won't be there when you pick...you'll have to trade up to get him.

No hes not gone. it was an accident on the packers website. i fully expect him to come back for next year.

Even if we don't get Rodgers-Cromartie there should be another good cornerback for us to pick up. The question is, which ones are the best at man coverage.

Well...looks like the news I gave you last week has turned out to be true. The living legend Brett Favre has retired from football. I think most people expected him to come back this year, but now he's gone and the Pack will turn to Aaron Rodgers at QB. Something tells me you'll also now look to draft a lower round QB (3rd or 4th round I'd guess) to be Rodgers' backup. That, or sign Billy Volek...

Favre Retires! The Aaron Rodgers era begins hope its a good one lol

I think we should draft a backup QB in the draft, in case Rodgers plays horribly or he gets injured.

yea in the 3rd 4th or 5th rd or trade for a backup but its def needed

What you ought to be discussing as a big need in the draft, is OL. You have a very, very mediocre OL at best. The young guys you have at G show promise, but your OTs are nothing to brag about. If it weren't for Farve's ability to move, and his quick release, your OL would have been exposed for what it really is a long time ago. If you don't believe me, just watch the NFC Championship game again...you can bet other teams like the Bears...Vikings...and Lions will be...all winter long.

Not only did Farve make your OL look better than it really is, but there's no way Rodgers will be able to stretch the field vertically the way Farve could...he just does not have that kind of arm. Therefore, I look for teams to start playing more men in the box against you to shut down your running game this year and forcing you to pass...then sending the kitchen sink against that OL.

Our Tackles? Clifton and Tauscher are two of the best in the league. Our Guards are an issue however. Colledge blows and Spitz, well I don't know what he's doing half the time he's out there. Also, Scott Wells at center isn't good either, we need an upgrade. As for Rodger's arm, I thought he had a good one....

Your guards are young and as yet lack experience. It's your OTs who blow...just like the G-men blew by them in the NFC Championship game. I don't care if you don't want to believe me on this, but you'll soon find out that Farve's ability to scramble to either buy time, or gain yardage, along with his extremely quick release made these OTs you claim "are two of the best in the league" look way better than reality...and reality is what's about to hit.

I know Favre was very good at getting away from the rush, i watched him for 16 years thank you. You make it sound like Tauscher and Clifton suck when they are two of the better tackles in the league. Have you even watched Colledge and Spitz? It's not the experience they lack, it's the skill. They just plain out suck.

We'll start discussing this again next year, packfan36450...probably around game 8 or 9. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it...but I don't think I'll have to do that.

You're often right, but you're completely off on this topic. Clidton and Tauscher are very good, veteran OTs. There are very few teams who have as good OTs as we do. You criticize them on their performances in the NFC championship game, but look at who they were blocking. Osi and Strahan are two of the best pass-rushing DEs in the NFL. But even with that, Clifton played a pretty goodgame, while Tauscher played exceptionally. I was very pleased at Tauscher's performance in the NFC championship game.

I want you to remember this, PackersPwnage. Your OTs are serviceable, not elite. The Giants might have a great pass rush, but the scheme they used on GB in the playoffs is what other teams will look at all off season. The weaknesses of your Oline were exposed. I did not say, or mean to infer you have a terrible line, it's just not as good as Farve made it look for a number of years, just as Dan Marino made an over-rated Dolphin line gain all kinds of unwarranted accolades. Clifton is your best OL, but he is now over 30, and so is Tauscher, who I am not a fan of. Also, your zone blocking scheme worded okay for Farve, but will Rodgers be able to effectively operate behind it?

The one thing I do like is your HC, who I find to be adaptable and innovative and will likely realize he'll need to change up some things to better suit Rodgers. However, next year, with a QB who does not posses Farve's release, among other qualities, not to mention his lack of game experience, and the opportunity for other teams to break down and digest what the Giants did to your protection schemes, and you will be looking to draft OL big time in next years draft.

All I'm proposing is you start thinking about this now. CB, IMO, is not necessarily what you should blindly focus on with your No1 pick. Depending on who's there, OT could be the best pick you could make for your team, and its needs. Both positions are co-primary needs, if you will, and I'd take the best of either that's sitting there at your pick, not one over the other. Here's a question to ask yourself...If you don't consider your OTs to be below average, do you consider your CBs below average? I think the answer to both is the same.

Another good thing for your team is this draft has good talent at both positions that will allow you to take the other position in the next round, or even later, depending. And I will not deviate from my prediction here, PackersPwnage. If you don't get an OT in this draft, next year your No1 need will be OT...of course, that's assuming your new QB works out.

Well, even if Rodgers doesn't work out, Ted Thompson will not want to draft another QB. We'll have to stick it out with Rodgers for at least 2 years, which is customary nowadays among 1st-round picked QBs.

As for our needs, I see RB being our greatest need in next year's draft. Why? Because I think that Grant was just a fluke. And even if he turns out to be a legit RB, he still can't keep carrying the ball for 30 times per game, as he was in the latter part of last season due to our lack of a #2 RB. The reason why we need a CB over OT is obviously because they're older, not worse.

We may not have an elite OT duo. But Clifton and Tauscher have worked well for us for years, and they're not ancient like you make them out to be. Clifton is 31 I believe, and Tauscher is 30. We do have 2 young, backup OTs in Moll and Thompson. Since they may not be enough, OT will be a small need heading into next offseason. But it won't be a dire need.

Wow, other than my buddy who is a huge packer fan. You are the only packer fan who has said that Ryan Grant isn't a Greek God romping thru the NFL mortals.

I am glad to see one of you guys can see you need a RB.

On top of it I believe he is a FA, you guys may not even have him next year.

oh i def dont think hes a greek god lol it was a couple good games last yr n we have no clue wat he wil do in the future n we dont know who may hjave him next season. He was def a big part of the pack run though this yr Go PACK!

Might I suggest Corey Boyd in the 4th/5th?

Boyd is a good player as long as he behaves himself...

That's why GB is perfect, the nightlife is, how shall I say, delightfully free from controversy!

I don't see a need at RB, because their is Grant, Jackson, and Wynn.

I think everybody has seen what grant can do. Everyone is labeling Jackson as a bust all ready. All I think to say is give the guy time to grow. Look at Bigby, Harris and others. They could even make a roster when they first got into the NFL, let him grow. Look at RB Green. The Seahawks gave, up on him, and he turn out to be a good player. And we also got Wynn, whose biggest problem was heart, and it sound like that has changed over this off season. That's why I don't see the need for a RB.

Tauscher and Clifton are the best OT group in the NFL. And I think both Colledge and Spits are playing out of position. Colledge is a OT, and Spitz is a C. Spits hasn't sucked at G. Colledge has looked great at OT, even though he hasn't play there a lot in the NFL. Spitz looks better at C than G.

I believe the packers greatest needs are in order:
1. OG; 2. TE; 3. CB; 4. QB; 5. FB; 6. HB; 7. OLB; 8. DL; 9. K/PR; 10.WR


I also heard someone said the packers hardly use their fullback. I believe that could be an issue of deficiency. You use what you have. William Henderson was heavily used for many years, and when he left, we didn't. I think it is because we haven't found a player like WH. The same thing could be said of with TEs. The packers used to go dual TE sets all the time when we had Chewy and KJ. I think the reason we never went back to that is bubba has been declining for years, and Lee has only stepped up over the last 2 years. It could be said you can never have too much depth at any position. The packers need to draft for a starting guard, nickel corner, and fullback. The rest of the picks would bring depth to a unusually deep team, and challenge the starters to step up their game

As for FB being a need, we drafted a FB last year, and he's not too bad. Korey Hall, a 6th rounder out of Boise State, hasn't been too bad. He's done very well in transitioning from LB into FB. We also have John Kuhn, who is at least an average FB in the NFL. FB is not a position where you need anyone exceptional, but rather players who get the job done.

Every position could use a little upgrading, and shouldn't fear adding a more skillful player. The reason that Korey hall can compete with John Kuhn, even thought he changed positions, is that Hall is an average fullback. I would take a good fullback over 2 average ones everyday of the week. the packers have several sets they no longer use that they can't because they just don't have the talent. I remember how successful dual TEs was with Chewy and KJ. I remember how Great William Henderson was, and what he brought to the game. He was not used as little as the combination of these two. I think talent has a lot to do with it.

What's up with every body wanting to replace the young guys? The young guys aren't the best, but their growing they could become the best. Give them a freaken chance and they might become good. Driver was a 7th round pick, and didn't look like he was going to make it his frist year, look at him now, Al Harris could make a roster he's first year, look where he is now, Well, and KGB both got cut, and look what they have done, Bigby was though to not even make the team and look what he has done. How about stop replacing guys that can grow, and replace the guys that aren't good and can't grow and the pick the BPA, like TT has done. Give'em a chance.

Tom Brady also look way below avg. at the start but look at him now. Give a chance and stop trying to get rid of people, that can grow.

anyone good enough to make the team should do so with competition as well. And usually when you replace young guys with even younger guys, it is a sign that some of them need to be doing more, and if they can step up and retain their place or not, and loose it to a rookie, they can always try next year

I agree but not 1 year guys with brand new ones. You got to look at the other places that didn't just get brand new guys just last year.

You are talking if these two were not given a chance, these guys played mediocre to average at best. You don't follow one mistake with another. You give them the opportunity to make the team and prove themselves, if someone comes in and beats them, it probably means they are better, and their potential is also greater. These two guys are not Tom Brady. They are not going to grow into superstar fullbacks. The best the packers can hope for is that they end up being okay. If you replace one/both with a good fullback, thats already ahead of these two, then you don't have to worry about potential, your gonna see it.

They were ROOKIES!!!! Heck Favre looked really really horrible his first year. And both of these guy are pretty new to FB, and still are learning still they only get better. You have to give them opportunity and a chance to grow, this is not a mistake at all!!!!! Not giving them a chance to grow and play is a huge mistake. Again draft a position that doesn't have young and growing people there. Our current FB looked GREAT, since they were rookies and playing a position they haven't play since high school.

If they bring in a versed fullback now, they will still have more knowledge of being a full back, how to hold the blocks, how to pick up a blitzer etcetera. They would have a greater upside as well. Comparing favre is foolish, he was a early second, and had the best arm out of all the QBs. FAVRE IS NOT A CONVERTED LINEBACKER! Favre was also playing under Jerry Glanville, a coach that didn't know crap about offense, only defense, and was not a successful coach. He wasn't expected to start. He threw only a few passes. grow? They are not flowers. If a converted linebacker beats you out without sufficient prior knowledge of your position, then you are a BAD Player, and Have no place in football! I am not sold on this guy. We need a William Henderson type. The packers would use a Fullback more if they only had a competent FB. looked great? THEN MM is a HORRIBLE coach, HE SHOULD have brought back the wishbone, and had his two allstar fullbacks out there! Or maybe he didn't plaY THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT GOOD?

The only reason Favre dropped out of the first, was because he has a similar degenerative bone disease as BO Jackson. There was huge concerns that he would shatter a hip, and be a lame duck, I am happy that didn't happen.

He did play both FB and they were both good. Their learning, they haven't play FB long, but their still better than any other FB. GET OVER IT!

Packdogs/Beast, please sign in using your username. I see you have many accounts with the same IP. Please use only packdogs.

It may be the same IP, but we're two different people so we're going to use different names. As for the many accounts sorry about that that mostly me, trying to find a nickname, I like for a long time. I like beast I think I'll stick with that. I think Packdogs is going to stick with that for a while as well.