Bills: B-
Dolphins: C+
Patriots: D
Jets: C-

Ravens: B-
Bengals: B
Browns: F*Corey Williams and Shaun Rogers
Steelers: A

Texans: B-
Colts: C+
Jaguars: B+*No DT
Titans: D

Broncos: B-
Chiefs: A+
Raiders: C+*DeAngelo Hall
Chargers: B-

Cowboys: C+*No WR
Giants: A
Eagles: B
Redskins: B-*No DE

Bears: B-*No QB
Lions: C-
Packers: C+
Vikings: D*Jared Allen

Falcons: B-*No DT
Panthers: B
Saints: B+
Bucs: B

Cardinals: B
Rams: D
49ers: D
Seahawks: B

Andrew you must be kidding, the Rams did not have an A draft but they had a C to C+ they handled all of their needs, Seattle made just as many or close to as many questionable picks!!! Stop being BIASED!!!

Mr. K I HATED what the Rams did.

Passing on Glenn Dorsey for Chris Long was a HUGE MISTAKE.

Grabbing Donnie Avery over all of the other WR's was a HUGE MISTAKE. They wanted speed- so why not go with the fastest (and best) WR in the draft?

I like Justin King's potential but in that defense he's going to be so easy to abuse- and you know he's going to play because he's definitely more talented than the other CB's on the roster.

The Greco pick was OK and Schuening was a good pick on a trade-up but those two only saved them from getting an F in my opinion.

I'm not high on Burton and their last two picks were throw-aways. Chris Chamberlin wasn't even the best ILB on his own team...

The main reason I hated their draft was passing on Dorsey, though. Long is not going to be the type of impact player Dorsey is. Dorsey could change a defense, which the Rams desperately need. Long is the type of guy who would be able to contribute, but won't make the difference on his own. Bill Parcells passed on this kid for a reason (he's not a Julius Peppers or Mario Williams-like difference maker) and went with the safe pick with Jake.

what is for indys hate??? they did their usuall nothing looked bad to me?

Hey- be happy you have a team that doesn't ever need a B draft in order to compete for the Super Bowl each year.

lol thx i guess

Ok, Long first of all Long filled a NEED and how can you say it is a mistake, Long is the son of a hall of famer and a guy who can stop the run AND rush the passer...Avery pick was questionable but he fits Saunders offense, Burton was good value there he is a good WR who will be a very good #2 like a more athletic Brandon Lloyd...Chamberlain was a bad pick, he is ST guy and a developmental SS but Adams and Horton are better, how can you say Long is not an impact guy, if Long has 10 sacks this year will you being saying the same? Justin King needs time but there is not denying his vast amount of talent! They deserve a C+ IMO because they filled needs and only really made 2 questionable picks.

welll in gp defense a c means average....i see more below average selections .... remember long is good noone is saying he isnt but when u have the second pick and you pass on at least two maybe 3-4 players who are better you dont grade good on that...they should have traded down if they really didnt want dorsey

If Long has 10+ sacks this year and more importantly, NOTABLY IMPROVES YOUR DEFENSE, then I will eat my words.

If he does all that, and Glenn Dorsey shows he's the next Warren Sapp at the same time in KC, then I will still say that the pick was a mistake because Dorsey is the better player.

As a Seahawks fan- I LOVED the decisions the Rams made...

You can't tell me you wouldn't rather have DeSean Jackson than Avery. That was a bad pick on so many levels.

And don't worry about my personal grade. I'm VERY high on Dorsey so I feel the Rams botched their first two picks big time. That's a big reason why they got a D from me. You can have your own opinion and that's fine, but I don't think I'm being illogical. For a team with the #2 and #33 picks, I thought the Rams did a bad job, that's all.

Where are they going to trade down to? They did not want to drop to 10 and did not get a good enough deal from the Jets, I felt the Rams draft was average, please tell me what picks other then Chamberlain and Avery were below average, Chris Long was the 2nd or 3rd best player in the draft IMO and an instant leader and stud on the defense in a needed position. With Dorsey we still have to draft a DE, the only guy I think in this draft that is better then Chris Long is Glenn Dorsey but he does not fill a need and unlike Long he has durability worries. The Rams made the smart and safe pick go to the most any draft sites and they are saying that the Long pick was S-M-A-R-T! If Seattle gets a B, STL gets at least a C to C+.

This is how I break Down Denver's draft.

1st round Ryan Clady= A player that fills a need and matches the system and was taken at about the spot he should have been taken at. Not the smartest player but great athlete seems to be a boom or bust type.

Grade= B+

2nd Round Eddie Royal= Royal will immediately give Denver a KR/PR that can make a huge difference. He will compete for a backup WR spot, and it is unknown what he can become. Filled a Need but taken too Early.

Grade= C

4th round Korey Licthensteiger= A player who will add depth and one day become a starter a perfect fit, could have been taken later probably, but a solid pick for Denver.

Grade= B

4th Round Jack Williams= POTENTIAL! Marred by size!, but Darrent Williams was small but he also got burned many times, with all respect to D-Will who is still missed greatly! Williams is a physical force, and while he isnt Brandon Flowers, and didn't play at the same level, I believe Denver got a similar player, much later. Not as solid against the run, about the same size, Better Speed, Flowers may have the edge in instincts and hands slightly, so that is why Flowers was an early 2nd rounder. I hope Williams Can become a Force one day, and will push Foxworth and Paymah in camp. Could also see time at S if needed but I doubt it. Durability somewhat of a concern.

Grade= B+

5th round Ryan Torain= Not a fast back, and not an everydown type of back. A compliment, probably even in Denver's system, which is okay if Henry can stay out of trouble and away from injuries. He has great power, But Serious Injury issues. COuld there have been a better back to pick here? If healthy he is definately worth the pick.

Grade= C

5th round Carlton Powell= The jury is out on this pick. Will add depth and can see time as a rotational player, but doesn;t have elite skills, has an overall solid game, but the guy has great character and a great motor, and definately worth the risk of the pick.

Grade= B-

6th round SPencer Larson= Will probably only ever be a Special teams guy, High Motor and character guy adds depth and a special teams player, His lack of athletic ability is something that turns me away, but he has solid instincts. 24 years old.

Grade= C-

7th round Josh Barrett= The athletic ability of a first rounder, the consistency of a 4th rounder, but avaliable in the 4th. If he can improve instincts and desire and passion, he can become more than a ST guy, just his athletic ability and size to be avaliable this late gives this pick an A especially at a need position.

Grade= A

7th round Peyton Hillis= Again terrific value, the perfect ZBS FB, and is a great receiver/runner for a FB. WIll provide Denver a great Fb with great versatility. One of my favorite Picks.

Grade= A

And Mr. K, I'm also looking at it this way:

Chris Long vs. Locklear or Walter Jones? Not worried.

Glenn Dorsey vs. Chris Spencer. HELPPPPPP!!!!

You can't judge one year and I know Long will improve our defense, he will for one stop the run, 2 keep Little from being double teamed and 3 add a leader and a guy who can rush the passer, I am nto arguing the Avery pick I did not like it but that is a wait and see because there is obviously a reason they took him, I think they should have traded down for him. As for Seattle Lawrence Jackson wasn't a great pick because he wasn't a need and Merling is better and Carlson was not the best TE on the board and has injury questions so your first 2 picks were not to great either.

GP think about it more like this:
With Chris Long we have:
DE: Little
DT: Glover/Ryan
DT: Carriker
DE: Long
With Dorsey:
DE: Little
DT: Dorsey
DT: Carriker
DE: James Hall
I would much rather have the first DL, Glover had 7 sacks last year and Carriker is improving along with Little coming off of an injury but is still a good pass rusher with Hall adding depth and Long being an all around good DE.

So I would give Denver probably a B around an 87 percent close to a B+ plus not quite. I mean they did GET THE JACK WILLIAMS!

BRent, the one thing I couldn't get over with Denver was how they took Royal over Jackson.

We Will see how it pans out, thats why I gave that pick a C. I think it was more for Character concerns, by listening to Shannahan

You can argue that Merling is better than Jackson if you want. I've always been a huge fan of both so I'm not even touching it.

Just because a pick doesn't fill a "need" doesn't make it automatically bad. Seattle wanted another pass rusher and they got one. Tapp will now assume the Justin Tuck role. You can never have enough pass rushers in this league. Jackson had a great career at USC and *gasp* he's probably the same player you got at #2...

As for Carlson... what injury?

And who was a better pro-ready TE on the board? There was none. Carlson will start from day one and Matt Hasselbeck finally has a steady TE.

Your first two picks were in an effort to turn around a franchise.

The Seahawks first two picks were simply building on an already successful foundation.

Yes I heard the same, but I still can't get over that sort of stuff. Philly got a steal and a half...

Fred Davis and Martellus Bennet are better TEs IMO, I meant that illness and LJ not as good as Long or he would have gone #2!!

BTW answer my question, which D-line is better:
DE: Little
DT: Glover/Ryan
DT: Carriker
DE: Long
or
if we had drafted Dorsey:
DE: Little
DT: Dorsey
DT: Carriker
DE: Hall
It looks to me that in the Chris Long D-line we have 3 guys of the future already setout to become the starters while on the Dorsey line we only have 2.

The one with Dorsey. I don't think you can really stop the run with either of them, but you'd get in the backfield a lot more with the Dorsey one...

Please explain...in the Long line, we have Long who is a much better player then Hall with Glover who had 7 sacks last year instead of Dorsey who will be very good and Hall so you really think Dorsey can make as many sacks as Long and Glover put together because Hall only had 2-3 sacks TOTAL in all of last year.

Long is better than Jackson but not better than Jack Williams!

Well Brent you do have me there!!

What were you thinking when The Rams Passed on Connor and Morgan? I wasnt here for that!

Lucky for you guys neither was I, I was asleep still! Lets just say when I did wake up the TV remote met the wall!

LOL!

I would give the Steelers an even B, gpngc. I love their first three picks. It's after that I think their draft becomes questionable. The OT, which they really need, is injury prone. The kid Dixon has skills, but he wants to play QB, so he needs to get it in his head right now he is not going to be a NFL QB. I'm not impressed with any of their other picks, and they failed to get a CB that can help in their secondary, which was a big need for them. I love the first 3, but nothing else jumps out to me.

I have to agree with gpngc here, Mr. Knowitall.

Jones I never disagreed on that but my point which line is better:
DE: Little
DT: Glover/Ryan
DT: Carriker
DE: Long
or
if we had drafted Dorsey:
DE: Little
DT: Dorsey
DT: Carriker
DE: Hall

Should have gone Dorsey and Calais and took Doucet at the 2nd pick in round 3! Now that would have been the better D-line, and you get a Fairly Decent WR

Why did you give teams that traded picks away for proven players low grades? Are you against that or something? I think the Ravens should be a bit lower, but that may just be me being bias in my disapointment....

Chili threw me for a loop when the Vikes moved up from 47 to 43 and selected.... a Safety! lol
I like the selection but everyone of the 400,000 + Vikings fans were murmuring Brian Brohm right before the pick was made...
As for Childress valuing his picks like gold... wtf???

What would others prefer?

giving up a 1st and two 3rds for Jared Allen?

OR

giving up a 1st, two 3rds and a 4th for Derrick Harvey?

I love how this is a fight between GP and Knowitall and Brent chimes in with Broncoes draft thoughts, not thats theres anything wrong with that

I did LOVE that trade, too bad we blew it in round 3 and 2!!!

The Jaguars had pick 26, the Vikings pick 17. That's a 9-pick difference in round one.

I personally like both moves for both teams, but I'm very high on Harvey...

That was a steal to move up to 8. SOme teams in the past have had to move up 2 picks and given up a 2nd. They gave up 2 thirds and a 4th. It was a smart move by JAX. Plus Groves' addition was nice in the mid 2nd.

LOL the thread is not named FIGHT! KIA vs GP lol so I am posting my team's draft grades. And talking about them lol, Because I like to type!

Chiefs just got like 10 starters out of this draft. WOO!!!
I'd give the Rams a C- and the Broncs a B and the Chiefs an A!

Go Chiefs! Super Bowl at the very least!

gpngc Ill give you Johnny Dingle (swagmaster) for Red Big Bad Bryant

Deal!

IDK if anyone followed WVU football, but along with Dingle they had a DL named Berry. Sometimes they sat next to eachother, and well their names spelled dingleberry. I thought it was pretty funny..
Im not qute sure how to add pics, but heres the link to a picture

http://mystarbucks.files.wordpress.com/200...dingleberry.jpg

Red Bryant is a god imo.

Red for President anyone?

I second that. Yo chiefsfan27 I love you chiefsfan27.

thanks ilu too. Big Bad Bryant and Bruce Bowen Owen will be monsters of the midway in Seattle imo.

yo yo Wierdos! JACK WILLIAMS IS DA MAN!

I'm anxious to see what Brent has to say about the above posts...

Red bryant is good but come one now! Not enough to make two men love eachother!

Is there a way to keep this thread up? Cause in a year I want to be able to come back in here and say I told you so about the Rams draft, they are getting hate for their draft but it is alot better then you guys give them credit for, most of the experts give it a C+ which is EXACTLY the grade I gave it. Also watchout for Vince Hall WHEN Pisa goes down he may see some playing time.