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Asteinebach
Round 1, Pick 17 - Gosder Cherilus - RT - B.C.

Round 2, Pick 45 - Jordon Dizon - OLB - Colorado

Round 3, Pick 64 - Kevin Smith - RB - UCF

Round 3, Pick 87 - Andre Fluellen - DT - FSU

Round 3, Pick 92 - Cliff Avril - OLB - Purdue

Round 5, Pick 136 - Kenneth Moore - WR - Wake Forest

Round 5, Pick 146 - Jerome Felton - FB - Furman

Round 7, Pick 216 - Landon Cohen DT - Ohio

Round 7, Pick 218 - Caleb Campbell - S - Army


I'll follow up later...
RedRaider80
I like alot of these picks, but thats me. CHerilus, SMith and Dizon are all reachs I think with better players at those positions available. I think Otah, CHaarles and Connor would definately be a better 3? Felton over Schmitt didnt make too much sense either. Fluellen, Avril and Moore have all flashed some nice potential. Im rooting for Campbell, that kid has heart, is a leader and he can play.
Guest_Lionsman11_*
QUOTE (RedRaider80 @ Apr 28 2008, 7:13:43 PM) *
I like alot of these picks, but thats me. CHerilus, SMith and Dizon are all reachs I think with better players at those positions available. I think Otah, CHaarles and Connor would definately be a better 3? Felton over Schmitt didnt make too much sense either. Fluellen, Avril and Moore have all flashed some nice potential. Im rooting for Campbell, that kid has heart, is a leader and he can play.



RedRaider80, I don't understand how you can say that Cherilus is a reach over Otah, and that KEVIN SMITH, the NCAA's rushing leader and second of all-time, is a reach over Jamaal Charles. Cherilus is going to be the best RT to come out of this draft and could be one of the best in the league someday. Otah is obese, slow, and would not hold up in the NFC North, a division full of edge-rushers. Don't forget, Cherilus was second to Jake Long for OT's before the season started, but then BC moved him over to LT where he is not accustomed to playing. Cherilus will be playing RT for the Lions. The stupidest thing that you said was that KEVIN SMITH, KEVIN SMITH, was a reach over Jamaal Charles. Jamaal Charles fumbled the ball 11 times last year and does not have much size to him. Kevin Smith is an Adrian Peterson type of guy, a guy that can carry the rock 25-35 times a game and have productive numbers. The guy never quits, he always keeps his feet moving and can break any arm tackle. Jamaal Charles is fast and has good cut-backs, but he is not nearly as durable, and is a less-than-average tackle breaker. His poor handling of the football makes him a major concern at the next level. The only thing that I agree with you on is the pick of Dizon over Connor. Connor is better than Dizon in every aspect of the game, especially tackling. Isn't Matt Millen a HOF LB from Penn State? I thought so, and why he passed on Connor, I DON'T KNOW!
Guest_EhJae_
I agree with the guest. Cherilus was drafted to play RT. He is a very solid run blocker and we plan on doing that this year. Smith is, without a doubt, a better pick than Charles. Charles fumbles way too much and Smith (and the Central Florida team) almost beat out Texas because of Smith's abilities. Dizon has been the leader of his defense at Colorado and called the defensive plays for 3 years. He's a tackling machine. I have been saying the Lions should take Cliff Avril for a long time and I'm glad they did. The 6'3 DE runs a 4.5 forty. I wouldn't say that the Lions had a bad draft, I think they had a (quietly) great draft. Only time will tell but they filled a lot of holes.
Guest_EhJae_
I meant that I agree with Lionsman11... I'm not used to this format
nyyjones
First, as Lions fans you had to be jumping for joy when they neglected to take a WR in the 1st round this year. As for the Cherilus pick, I too think he's ORT material, with a chance to be a really good one. I'd had my fingers crossed he somehow slipped to 27 so the Chargers could get him, but you got a good player there. I too like Smith, who won't put up the kind of numbers he did in college, but he is a big, tough runner, and Jones had not done much for you lately. I was a little puzzled by the Dizon pick, as Conners was still available, and others, but if you throw away the measurables and just watch him on tape, he's a player. It remains to be seen if he can transfer those abilities to the NFL, or if he was just an outstanding college player, but if he does, then you got a good player. I think the Lions made hay in the 3rd round, and I like every one of those picks for you guys. Moore in the 5th is a comer, IMO, and extremely versatile. And lastly, Campbell will also make and help your team this year, even if only on STs. Overall, I like your draft, and give it a boderline B+/A grade.
Asteinebach
I'm a little puzzled by the pick of Andre Fluellen. But I like the idea of putting stock back into the running game (they nabbed a pretty talented OG from USC last year, too), by drafting both Cherilus and Kevin Smith. Jones has been released already, and I'm also happy they decided to keep hold of Roy Williams, despite the trade rumors. I was upset that they passed on a guy like Rashard Mendenhall, but not at all disappointed with the pick of Kevin Smith.

As for Dizon and Avril, I hope that both are prepared to start in an NFL system ASAP. If they decide to move Ernie to the middle (brilliant move), those two guys may very well be studs at OLB. I understand that they want Avril playing at OLB, which is fitting for the Tampa 2 defense, I think. Aside from that, I think someone else said it perfectly: "Quietly, a very solid draft."

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Mr. Knowitall
QUOTE (Guest_Lionsman11_* @ May 1 2008, 5:03:40 PM) *
RedRaider80, I don't understand how you can say that Cherilus is a reach over Otah, and that KEVIN SMITH, the NCAA's rushing leader and second of all-time, is a reach over Jamaal Charles. Cherilus is going to be the best RT to come out of this draft and could be one of the best in the league someday. Otah is obese, slow, and would not hold up in the NFC North, a division full of edge-rushers. Don't forget, Cherilus was second to Jake Long for OT's before the season started, but then BC moved him over to LT where he is not accustomed to playing. Cherilus will be playing RT for the Lions. The stupidest thing that you said was that KEVIN SMITH, KEVIN SMITH, was a reach over Jamaal Charles. Jamaal Charles fumbled the ball 11 times last year and does not have much size to him. Kevin Smith is an Adrian Peterson type of guy, a guy that can carry the rock 25-35 times a game and have productive numbers. The guy never quits, he always keeps his feet moving and can break any arm tackle. Jamaal Charles is fast and has good cut-backs, but he is not nearly as durable, and is a less-than-average tackle breaker. His poor handling of the football makes him a major concern at the next level. The only thing that I agree with you on is the pick of Dizon over Connor. Connor is better than Dizon in every aspect of the game, especially tackling. Isn't Matt Millen a HOF LB from Penn State? I thought so, and why he passed on Connor, I DON'T KNOW!

Cherilus is a REACH over Otah, Otah is would hold up and he is a LT or do you want the League Leader in Sacks allowed to stay there, Otah is a monster mauler of a run blocker but he has good lateral quickness, he is more raw then Cherilus but his upside is MUCH higher. As for Smith, it was not a bad pick I would go Charles though, Charles does have some fumble issues but the guy dominated games last year. As for Charles not having much size 6-1 200 is plenty of size, he will add some bulk. Although I don't get how Avril fits in the Cover 2? He is a big LB where cover 2 LBs are usually undersized and very fast but I do think Avril is an ideal DE for the Cover 2.

To Asteinback, I don't get the Fluellen pick either, I thought they would take a run stuffer but I guess they felt a disruptive DT was better.
nyyjones
QUOTE (Mr. Knowitall @ May 7 2008, 4:45:17 PM) *
Cherilus is a REACH over Otah, Otah is would hold up and he is a LT or do you want the League Leader in Sacks allowed to stay there, Otah is a monster mauler of a run blocker but he has good lateral quickness, he is more raw then Cherilus but his upside is MUCH higher. As for Smith, it was not a bad pick I would go Charles though, Charles does have some fumble issues but the guy dominated games last year. As for Charles not having much size 6-1 200 is plenty of size, he will add some bulk. Although I don't get how Avril fits in the Cover 2? He is a big LB where cover 2 LBs are usually undersized and very fast but I do think Avril is an ideal DE for the Cover 2.

To Asteinback, I don't get the Fluellen pick either, I thought they would take a run stuffer but I guess they felt a disruptive DT was better.

I'm not sold on Otah as a OLT...nor as an ORT either, although that's where I perceive him settling in when all is said and done. IMO, Otah's a guy who could very well eat himself out of the league before his initial contract runs out, ala Fonuti, or whatever his name was the Chargers drafted in the 2md round a few years ago. The one thing that may save him, is the Panther's HC is a bit strict...then again, so was Marty. I really don't like him at all, and I like the pick of Cherilus better, who I also think will be an ORT, but a good one if he can digest the offense.
Lionsman11
QUOTE (Mr. Knowitall @ May 7 2008, 9:45:17 PM) *
Cherilus is a REACH over Otah, Otah is would hold up and he is a LT or do you want the League Leader in Sacks allowed to stay there, Otah is a monster mauler of a run blocker but he has good lateral quickness, he is more raw then Cherilus but his upside is MUCH higher. As for Smith, it was not a bad pick I would go Charles though, Charles does have some fumble issues but the guy dominated games last year. As for Charles not having much size 6-1 200 is plenty of size, he will add some bulk. Although I don't get how Avril fits in the Cover 2? He is a big LB where cover 2 LBs are usually undersized and very fast but I do think Avril is an ideal DE for the Cover 2.

To Asteinback, I don't get the Fluellen pick either, I thought they would take a run stuffer but I guess they felt a disruptive DT was better.



Knowitall, you are insane, especially saying that I am wrong in the first place. Cherilus will be much better that Otah as Otah is going to be the next George Foster, a fat-ass with a hell of a lot of potential, but no motivation. Cherilus is a beast on the right-side and mediocre on the left which is okay for the Lions(who also were not the last in sacks allowed, Kansas City was), because they want a RT not a left one because they have Backus who may not be the best but he is alright and they have a lot of money invested in him. Smith is going to be a much better player than Charles, he is bigger, stronger, holds onto the ball much better, more durable(actually most durable in the draft class), and he doesn't stop his feet on contact. Charles is going to be a Tatum Bell type of guy; a small RB with good cut-backs, good speed, but can't break a tackle and can't hold onto the ball either, and therefore will go nowhere. Avril does fit the Cover 2 LB and DE and the Lions said it themselves, but they said that they would just prefer him as a situational DE. Avril could play SLB, but like I said, the Lions want him at DE. He is fast(he ran the fastest 40 out of any DE at the Combine with a 4.55), strong(benches 450), and can get to the QB(13 sacks as a junior, although followed by a senior slump). The Fluellen pick is good, especially since all of the run-stuffers had condition issues(i.e. Frank Okam), and a lot of them had off-the-field issues as well such as Marcus Harrison, Arkansas. Fluellen is a Cory Redding type of guy, he gets into the backfield quick, and will run guys down 20 yards down the field.
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