After watching Tebow play against Ole Miss on Saturday I think I'm going to start called him Audi. Why? Well, just like the Audi TT (Tim Tebow, geddit?) he's a "bit of a poser, looks rather flash but handles terribly and has no substance". In case you're wondering by the way, those are the words of Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear fame.

Tebow underthrew his receivers, overthrew his receivers and generally looked like the second coming of Alex Smith, who incidentally was also part of Urban Meyer's spread offense. NFL future flop, or not?

Well it all depends. Can you be a flop if he doesn't play QB in the NFL? Personaly I think he stays at Florida till he graduates and then will get drafted sometime in the 3-5 round area. I can't see him playing QB and you can't draft a player in rounds 1 or 2 based on his potential to play a position he has never played before. Matt Jones was drafted in the first, but I bet Jacksonville wishes they wouldn't have.

Don't get me wrong though, I think that Tebow is a great college quarterback, but that won't translate to an NFL QB. Look at recent mobile QBs in the league. Vick and Young. There isn't a lot of success with them. Plus Tebow isn't that fast. He is a more power runner when he takes off. He'll play in the league, just not at QB.

Anyone who says Tebow will get drafted to play any other position but QB has something wrong in the head. The difference between Tebow and Vick is that Tebow follows the playcalling but doesn't run on pass plays often only when he is forced to or has a big opening while Vick was a run first pass second guy on pass plays. Tebow needs refining as a passer and his mechanics need work but he has good arm strength, good accuracy, makes very good reads and rarely makes mistakes.(notice his low amount of interceptions) He also is a good pocket passer, he'd need a year to improve his mechanics, accuracry and pocket presence but he has plenty of potential as a Pro QB and will likely be a first round pick. Now I am biased on this subject but Tebow's arm is much stronger than Smith's and Tebow is a better decision maker. He's also a tougher QB.

Ok, I'm going to step back a little. Your right about him not playing another position, but I still know that he will not be drafted in the first round. Here is why.

1. He will not come out this year. He has a lot to work on and another year of college would do him a lot of good.

2. Look at the last couple of years QB drafts. With the exception of the Vince Young, Jay Cutler, Matt Leinert draft teams have not drafted more than one or two QBs in the first round. If he came out this year, in my opinion he would be taken in the fourth round. (Remember Brian Brohm was origonally a 1st and slipped all the way to the end of the second, and he is a much better pro prospect)

3. Tebow does a lot of his production running the ball, but he does it as a power runner not a speed guy like Vick or Young. Yes he does throw for a lot of touchdowns, but he doesn't make a lot of NFL throws. He gets the ball to playmakers in short throws and has them do a lot of work.

4. Teams haven't had a lot of success with spread offense QB's. Look at Alex Smith. Tebow is a much better QB than him, but having Smith be a bust and come from the same offense as Tebow will hurt his stock.

5. Tebow is a great College QB. Just like Vince Young, Eric Crouch, Danny Wuerfful, Ken Dorsey were. That doesn't make him a better NFL prospect though.

Now I'm changing my stance on Tebow that he will get drafted, but we need to end this hype of him being a first round talent. Its not going to happen.

part of what made tebow so successful last year was his threat to run, but now that teams have keyed into that he has to showcase the arm. he tried to bull run early in the year and looked pathetic running 20 time for 40 yards. what johanns said about the receivers making alot of plays is true i won't penalize tebow but hitting harvin on a 7 yards slant and watching him taking it 30 extra yards has been common in gainesville recently. his arm while better than smiths is nowhere near as accurate. i don't know if everyone can recall but in college alex smith was a bad mofo. it just never translated to the league which can be said by a lot of players. i always give mobile qbs a year to turn it around and so if tebow comes back next year and blossoms into a nfl qb, which he can, then ill be more accepting of a first round grade. but i do belive he'll play qb in the league his lack of speed won't afford a wr or safety switch.

Might be a good career backup, or game managing QB. Won't be drafted to be the starting QB; QBs with a power running style will always be at a higher risk of injury. I think teams will start looking for a good backup in upcoming drafts though. Tebow kinda reminds me of a Kyle Orton who can run.

Totally agree Martino....

I hear alot of experts saying he might be a running back or a receiver!!!! I cant belive CDS has him going 1) Number one overall 2) a year early!!! makes no sense to me. He's going to stick around and chances are he'll get drafted as QB and who knows he may silence all the critics but 1 overall just seems really really unlikely.

I'll let our Mock Draft guru defend his own selection, but I know he's going to be redoing it soon and I expect Tebow will no longer be #1.

However, as you'll hear on the next edition of the Consensus Draft 40, there's going to be a lot of juniors worried about a potential slotting system for the draft and ending up declaring early purely for financial reasons. Will Tebow? The answer is nobody knows, though I think he would be better staying.

i watched the fla-ga game and tebow played very well he didn't throw that much but he got the W. stafford did his old routine of making impossible throws then falling apart. tebow was poised and fairly accurate. stafford takes Waaaaaaay to long in the pocket then when it collapses around him he gets kur warner's disease and has a brain fart. neither will be number 1 next year imo. i think both need their senior years

Yeah I mean I know its super ealry especially if he's going to wait until the 2010 draft...I just think 1 is a bit outlandish.

Truth be told its really tough to see who the top 1-5 picks will be, last year we had a pretty good idea early this draft is a bit tougher IMO>

The biggest problem with Tebow is that he has a wind up.

Not like some guys who wind up for long tosses.

He winds up for short tosses.

At this point, he's a poor mans Roethlisberger. I give him high marks for his leadership, mobility, strength, and arm strength. His mechanics murder his accuracy and consistency, though, he has no experience dropping back from center, and he throws off his back foot more often than not. He also works in a system that does not foster NFL decision-making skills. He's going to be a project even by rookie QB standards - He needs mechanical refines, dropback refinement, oh and then he needs to learn to read defenses.

More likely his path to success will be coming up with 6-7 big plays a game behind a team that doesn't require him to be perfect. Cause I can see him taking a ton of sacks.

What if we create a new position? Drum roll, please:

Throwing TE

I think you've not just created a whole new position, but an entire new offense. You could run a TE reverse where he would then throw it instead of rushing. You could also line him up as a FB and run a play where the QB hands off to the FB/TE who then fakes a run outside the tackles only to throw the ball before crossing the LoS!

Steve...I love it! We need a name...something even cooler than the "Wildcat".

Right. And, I envision a lot of this coming off a formation where you literally have two QBs lined up side by side, and you never know which one is going to get the shotgun (or pistol) snap!

I think we need to get a copyright on this quick!

LOL...well, we have proof where it started right here.

Also, I can see a variety of nightmare formations for the defense involving direct snaps to the T-TE where he is located at various positions in the backfield.

Heck...what if you had three QBs back there?? LOL...the possibilities are endless....

LOL a back field with Garrard, Jones and Tebow...scary!

BTW I am telling you, VERY VERY low chance Tebow goes out.

sorry guys there is a high school out here in cali that runs an offense like that. they call it A-11 or something and they have been preety sucessful against smaller schools with it. i think its on youtube

yup heres the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJOm-IJcbg0

That's where MOST of the great innovations begin.

Good for them!

I agree, and we probably should not even project him into our Top 100 because of that very reason....but, it is what it is....

I've heard the exact opposite--Tebow is moving closer to coming out all the time. Several NFL people I've talked to believe that. People around the Florida program believe that, Tebow is sick of Urban Meyer's nonstop profanity and negative reinforcement. Tebow believed Meyer when he told him it would change and feels very put off by the fact that it's only gotten worse, according to some of the Gator players.

My quick take on Tebow:
He's a guy you draft with the intention of sitting him for at least a year, probably longer. A situation like Carolina or Seattle, where they have an aging but effective starter still in place and no need to bring in immediate challengers. His mechanics need a complete overhaul and he needs to learn how to both take a snap from center and hand the ball off in a conventional set. He also needs to learn how to make route reads and progressions instead of instantly checking down to running the ball if his #1 option is eliminated.

Thanks, Buddy. Awesome input. That all rings true given how religious a young man Mr. Tebow is. I really appreciate these comments!

Good read. But don't you think if he can't handle the swearing and wild stuff that happens in Gainesville, how is he going to do in the NFL? I don't think Tom Coughlin or Jon Gruden are much nicer than Meyer would be.

I think he stays or goes based on if he thinks he can improve at all in his senior year. Some players don't feel ready for the NFL and want that senior year iron things out. The problem is, that QBs usually drop their senior year as opposed to improving.

No offense but I think they might be putting out some rumors...is it a 0% chance that Tim comes out? No. But his parents believe very much in education and would probably have a problem with him not getting his college degree before going to the NFL unless he finishes college over the summer. Tim doesn't usually go against his parents but who knows.

Also let's remember that Tebow wants to win a championship as well as finish school, also he knows he needs more work. None of the JR QBs seem ready for the next level IMHO. The past history of early entries at the position is not good: Drew Henson, Ryan Leaf, Tommy Maddox, Todd Marinovich, JaMarcus Russell [the jury is still out], Mike Vick, stop me when ever you are ready! The position is more mental than physical, reps and seeing defenses, the more youn play the better you are. 4 years was good enough for Peyton, Brady, Montana, Palmer, Moon, Marino, stop my whenever you like. Is Bledsoe the best early entry QB?

Drew Henson? I thought he joined the Yankees minor League Baseball team then went to the NFL? Did he go NFL to Minor Leagues back to NFL?

Actually in baseball, he was drafted by the New York Yankees in the third round of the 1998 amateur draft, following his Senior Campaign at Brighton HS, then U of Michigan, he played part-time in the minors in the summer. Then prior to his senior year he gave up football to focus on professional baseball.

He retired from the Yankees in 2004 and chose to give up baseball and return to football, joining the Dallas Cowboys after they traded their third round pick in the 2005 NFL Draft to the Houston Texans. [So he's an early entry in that he had a year of eligibilty left and could have, and, I think should have, gone back to college for 1 more year.] The rest as the say is "history."

Mel Kiper has today projected Audi (if you wonder who I'm talking about, read the top post) will play as either a TE or H-Back in the NFL...

Interesting thoughts to say the least...

My good friend Mel obviously reads our message boards.

But didn't all the 'experts' love Jeff George and Heath Shuler and predicted Gannon would be a safety, while Seneca Wallace would be a wide out? It's all about system. In the right system Tebow would be fine-Think Vick at his best but less speed and elusiveness, but more thump.

I go back and forth here.


On one hand I believe that if Tebow goes in the first to play QB, then the GM who drafts him may as well go ahead and start interviewing head coaches to hire one year in the future. The fans, owner, and probably GM will eat the head coach alive until he puts Tebow in, and Tebow won't be ready.

The only compromise would be to do what Urban Meyer did during Tebow's freshman year and let him QB from the twenty or fifteen-yard-line in. However, there's no way you're going to get a vet. QB to swallow his pride to the point where he'll dutifully and quietly go out of the game any time the team gets close to scoring. Also, if Tebow can't handle the offense in the middle of the field, I don't know if putting him in near the goalline is a better move.



That said, and given his horrible, atrocious footwork, and the probability that he will be like Michael Vick in that no matter how much you coach him, when the bodies start flying, he's going to do what he's done his entire life... scramble.


With those as known disadvantages, how do you pass on a guy with Tebow's intangibles. You'd be getting a guy with tremendous leadership ability, tremendous competitiveness, and maybe tremendous coachability.

I just can't see 32 teams saying that the reward isn't worth the risk of trying this guy at quarterback and telling him that he will be an H-back in their system. Furthermore, if you're a struggling team, how do you convince your fanbase of that?


Tebow may be one of the biggest anachronisms the draft will see in a long, long time.

He is HIGH risk, possibly HIGH reward personified. Are you getting NFL QB, 6.0, the QB of the future, or a guy who is a player without a position, heck he might be an MLB for all we know. But you have to give him at least a chance to prove he CAN'T play QB, right?

I don't understand why people think that a running quarterback can succeed in the NFL. Haven't we seen what has happened with Mike Vick and Vince Young. The Falcons had some good years, but their offense was never consistent. And the Titans are playing so much better with Kerry Collins. Plus Tebow's power running style will not survive in the NFL.

running qbs can work they just have to have the right offense and good accuracy look at steve young, randall cunningham, fran tarkenton elway was even a bit of a scrambler. i might take a second day pick on tebow put him on the field and give him a shot

First of all, Tebow is not a running QB like Vick or Young. He runs an option offense but when they call passes, he is not a run first pass 2nd guy, Tebow only runs if he has an open field and no one open. His ability to read the field is pretty damn good and he is a great decision maker. He also unlike Alex Smith has a strong arm. IF you have watched him this season, he's vastly improved especially on the deep ball...instead of floating it, he's hitting the WRs in stride over the shoulder. People are down on Tebow but what you will get with him is a project who needs mechanical work but he is incredibly coachable, is a leader, is competitive, is athletic, strong and has all the arm you need. If you can fix his mechanics, he'll be a great player. Basically he can be a Pocket Passer if you need him to who can take off and get first downs when he has to. He's not going to be pounding it up the middle in the NFL like he does for UF so he will hold up just fine.

Tebow is about 1/2 way between Bobby Douglass and Steve Young, he needs polishing and a great deal of work to get him ready for a conventional NFL offense, however he is ahead of Rich Ganon at the same point in development and Gannon was an All-Pro more than once. Patience, system and teaching are all deciding factors. The kid's talent and desire are both off the charts high, but he needs th proper situation to succeed.

IF Tebow is going to be an NFL QB he is going to have to be with a team that has a proven QB and have Tebow learn under for three years. But I don't see that happening. I see him switching positions to get him out on the field to use all the intangibles.

Its already a play called the Turduckin Toss I ran it with my Pop Warner team. The kids came up with the name. A Turduckin is a turkey/duck/chicken hybrid

Totally agreed. He will need some time and the right QB coach but he can definitely develop into a good QB.


The Jaguars could probably take a chance on him, he's a hometown favorite and Garrard has probably 2-3 seasons left.

If Tebow wants to be a legit NFL QB, I think he should return. If he returns and posts similar numbers, he will be arguably the greatest college player of all time.
Tebow has some big flaws that another year of playing time will help. I think mechanically has a slow delivery, and that a power running style will get him injured by any big hitting LB or S. I also think that with most teams playing Florida close to the line he has yet to throw very many passes in tight spaces also, most of his passes are lobs to open recievers. Not that its terrible, but it remains to be seen if he can make NFL throws
For now, the biggest contribution Tebow can make is the Goalline jump-pass.

Another year with Urban Meyer isn't going to make him one day closer to being NFL-ready.

Actually he has really improved and he is not just throwing lobs to open WRs anymore, especially in the Bama game, he was throwing to guys who were pretty well covered and making great throws. BTW he won't be running as much but scrambling a couple times a game isn't going to get him hurt especially since he is bigger than most NFL LBs and almost any NFL S.

So Mr K, are you seriously suggesting that Tebow will be a pocket passer in the NFL??? Because if you are, there is absolutely no evidence to support that at all...he has done nothing at Florida to make anyone believe that!

I still think due to his athletisism, toughness and smarts Tebow (I mean Audi) has a shot at playing safety in the NFL.

And mr. kia, your confidence never seases to amaze me! You know for a fact that there is a 0% chance of Tebow coming out? That just cracks me up.

"cease" is what I was going for. You guys know by now eye um gud spellor, ya?

Not suggesting Tebow will be a pocket passer, he doesn't have to be. But he will not be doing DESIGNED QB runs 10-15 times a game and yes, he can throw from the pocket or throw on the move. It seems he has done that in college or else he wouldn't have 22 TDs to only 2 ints and a pretty good completion percentage.


Not quite 0% but I'd say in the 5-10% range. With all the scouts down on him and his parents pretty set on him finishing college, it is very low.

i think he should com out he has nothing left to prove and like bipolarboy said another year with urban meyer isn't going to help if anything all that would do is give him another year of wear and tear and possible injury. id go as high as a mid 3rd round pick depending on team needs and give him a couple of years on the pine then see what he has become. i hate UF but the more i read and hear about tebow i actually like him and respect his standards. which is another plus you draft tebow you have a guy thats going to improve any locker room setting and keep the sideline fired up while keeping off the field escapades to a minimum. i think he could fit in a team like dallas indianapolis or new england that have established qbs

Let me add some historical prospective, I remember a few prospects: #1 a 5'9.3 174 lb Heisman winner was projected to be a WR or even a FS by almost every 'expert', #2 or a Wing-T QB from a 1-AA school with a below-average arm who ran in the low 4.5s who was [stop me if you've heard this before,] projected to be a WR or even a FS by almost every 'expert', and last but not least #3 a 5'11.5" QB who ran a 4.51 at the combine and [all together with feeling!] was projected to be a WR or even a FS by almost every 'expert,' despite that Flutie had a 10+ year career with 4 teams in the lower 48 as well as a Hall of Fame caliber career up North and Rich Gannon was an All-Pro who lead a team to the Super Bowl and Seneca Wallace recently out dueled Favre. Yet none of these players were 'supposed' to be able to be NFL QBs.

In the right situation Brad Smith or many other "Athletes" could have been QBs, they would have needed patience and good coaching. To say that a player can't do something because they haven't yet is senseless, Brady was forced to share time with Drew Henson because, Henson was the "future" at UM, he was the elite prospect and Brady was a former 4th stringer who was a draft afterthought. Tebow is a better college QB than Tom Brady. The challenge is developing him. If he returns to UF will they use a few conventional sets to help with his transition. I remember Eddie Robinson junked his offense to go to a pro style attack to both maximize his teams chances of winning and prepare Doug Williams for the NFL.

I don't see Urban Meyer doing that at all. If anything, he'd pull Tebow sporadically or when the game is in hand and let his back up get some reps for the following year.


Besides, how is lining up under center for 5 plays or so a game going to make Tebow an NFL quarterback. They'll be spending almost no practice time on those sets. If anything it could just expose Tebow's shortcomings more. Early this year, the buzz was that Tebow was going to try to be more of a pocket passer, and whether he was trying to be that player or not, I don't know, but he wasn't nearly as sharp early on this year as he was last year or late in the season this year. Those early games probably cost him the Heisman.


I stand by my earlier statement, staying at Florida another season will just make Tim Tebow a year older and a year more entrenched in his bad fundamentals when he enters the draft.