The Eastern Michigan Eagles are a well-coached (by Jeff Jennings--youngest coach in the BCS), and for a couple quarters they were also game, but in the end they just didn't match up well enough in the trenches on either side of the ball, and they couldn't slow down Michigan State once they caught fire in the second half, or get any push for their own running game.
SCOUTING SUMMARY:
College: Michigan State Conference: Big 10 Columnist: Sam Maxwell
Javon Ringer 23 5' 9.0" 200 4.40 HB 2009: Big game statistically, with 5 short TD runs. Strong legs. Outstanding balance--perhaps the best in the draft. Not flashy but gets the yards. One hands the ball--even in heavy traffic and SY, and gave up a fumble, and had another fumble recovered by MSU. Reminds me a bit of Ray Rice in terms of his size and productivity, but Javon makes his living even more between the tackles than Rice did in college. GRADE: Positive
Brian Hoyer 7 6' 3.0" 212 4.85 QB 2009: Below average Big 10 QB in my estimation. Decent arm, OK form and delivery. Double pumps and telegraphs his throws (but this game was very early, and maybe he's corrected that by now.) Not accurate at all. Would be a backup at practically any other Big 10 school. Needs to learn to go through progressions. GRADE: Slightly negative
Roland Martin 73 6' 5.0" 325 5.15 OG 2009: Big #73 really showed me something in this game. Best pure run blocking game from an OG I have seen all year. Of course, we must remember the LOC wasn't that great, however. Pulls quickly and delivers when he gets there. Really locks on and drives to the whistle when RBing. Keeps legs churning and embarrasses his opponent. Bends nicely while blocking but looks a little stiff in the hips. He is not nearly as proficient in pass blocking, however. I don't grade guards down so much for that, as some might, because that run blocking bull who really works is becoming a bit rare, and you can always improve PP tech. Stands too tall too fast when PPing. Lunges occasionally and misses his target. Has a lot of work to do in that area, but I'd still take him in the 5th with his size and nastiness. GRADE: Positive
Otis Wiley 21 6' 2.0" 210 4.50 S 2009: Another guy who I hadn't seen much of yet, given that the Big 10 is one conference I've been too busy to look in on much. This guy can play FS or SS with equal aplomb. Has the size you want. Nice hands for the pick, and tackles as well as you'd want. Active and confident back there. Looks like the kind who could eventually start for you, because he can do it all, and has pro size and nastiness in RS, and is enough of a ball hawk to turn around a game or two during the season for you... GRADE: Very positive
College: Eastern Michigan Conference: Mid-American Columnist: Sam Maxwell
Daniel Holtzclaw 44 6' 0.0" 246 4.80 LB 2009: Highly-touted and a very good college LB, but I am not sure he is "all that" as far as the next level is concerned. Average lateral movement skills. Over-runs some plays. Trouble quickly changing direction when he moves by a target. Top heavy. Efficient blitzer who is thick and stout at the POA. When he's headed to the right spot he gets there with some authority and whatever he hits goes down. Can arm tackle and get away with it, because he is strong up top. Not flexible enough for a high pick. Surprsingly good time-up blitzer with better wheels than you might think. Closes quicker than you might think, and finishes when blitzing. GRADE: Neutral
T.J. Lang 50 6' 4.5" 307 5.40 OT 2009: Average collegiate LOT with enough movement skills and size to think he might be able to transition inside. But, 307-pound guards who don't excel in RBing are a dime a dozen. As a LOT at this level, he is OK. A finesse guy who gets it done with his hands. Squatty. Limited drop speed and max depth. Would be killed by top-speed outside moves by quality rush ends. Can also be beaten by quick inside counter moves, even by Big 10 DEs (and at MSU--none of them are NFL caliber at present.) GRADE: Slightly negative
Josh Hunt 91 6' 4.5" 278 4.90 DT 2009: 3-pt. 4-3 DT who gives the O-line a workout, but not much stress. Doesn't penetrate often. Stands tall and waltzes with the double team, but can't fight through it. Nothing special playing where he is. Best chance would be to muscle up and get a look at strongside DE in a 4-3. Limited athletically. Nice size and effort, but definitely not worth a draft pick unless something outrageous happens with him. GRADE: Neutral
OTHER NOTES:
EMU: #3, RB Terrence Blevins has gotten better every year, and as a senior he has nice size, and decent edge speed. Was fairly productive until the O-line got tired. Ripped off a 40-yarder down the sidelines in the first half. Quicker than I remember from years gone by. Still, there is a reason a guy doesn't start until he's a senior...
LB Spenser Smith is OK..worth remembering his name for next year. Same with SS Jacob Wyatt (#21) who may be the Eagles best overall defender. That kid is instinctive.
MSU: Sr. DT Justin Kershaw is a small DT (270) who is playing out of position. No excitement really at DT, but he is productive there at this level. Had a spurt in the second half where he had a TFL and a sack in quick succession. Convert him to 4-3 DE and you might have another strongside candidate who can stop the run and hold the point OK. Verge guy for database. Sammy, please check him out.
RS Freshman WR #3 B.J. Cunningham is a future big-play stud who is an adventure right now, but shows the ability to make the tough catch and to get behind the secondary.
OLB Greg Jones will go camping in 2010 for sure.
RS Fr. QB Kirk Cousins got some work in this one and shows better long-range potential than Hoyer ever had.
Full Version: Michigan State 42, Eastern Michigan 10
So who in this game was definately draftable? Martin and Ringer anyone else and when do you think Martin, Ringer and anyone else might be selcted?
QUOTE (PatriotofMaine @ Nov 15 2008, 1:36:02 PM) 
The Eastern Michigan Eagles are a well-coached (by Jeff Jennings--youngest coach in the BCS), and for a couple quarters they were also game, but in the end they just didn't match up well enough in the trenches on either side of the ball, and they couldn't slow down Michigan State once they caught fire in the second half, or get any push for their own running game.
SCOUTING SUMMARY:
College: Michigan State Conference: Big 10 Columnist: Sam Maxwell
Javon Ringer 23 5' 9.0" 200 4.40 HB 2009: Big game statistically, with 5 short TD runs. Strong legs. Outstanding balance--perhaps the best in the draft. Not flashy but gets the yards. One hands the ball--even in heavy traffic and SY, and gave up a fumble, and had another fumble recovered by MSU. Reminds me a bit of Ray Rice in terms of his size and productivity, but Javon makes his living even more between the tackles than Rice did in college. GRADE: Positive
Brian Hoyer 7 6' 3.0" 212 4.85 QB 2009: Below average Big 10 QB in my estimation. Decent arm, OK form and delivery. Double pumps and telegraphs his throws (but this game was very early, and maybe he's corrected that by now.) Not accurate at all. Would be a backup at practically any other Big 10 school. Needs to learn to go through progressions. GRADE: Slightly negative
Roland Martin 73 6' 5.0" 325 5.15 OG 2009: Big #73 really showed me something in this game. Best pure run blocking game from an OG I have seen all year. Of course, we must remember the LOC wasn't that great, however. Pulls quickly and delivers when he gets there. Really locks on and drives to the whistle when RBing. Keeps legs churning and embarrasses his opponent. Bends nicely while blocking but looks a little stiff in the hips. He is not nearly as proficient in pass blocking, however. I don't grade guards down so much for that, as some might, because that run blocking bull who really works is becoming a bit rare, and you can always improve PP tech. Stands too tall too fast when PPing. Lunges occasionally and misses his target. Has a lot of work to do in that area, but I'd still take him in the 5th with his size and nastiness. GRADE: Positive
Otis Wiley 21 6' 2.0" 210 4.50 S 2009: Another guy who I hadn't seen much of yet, given that the Big 10 is one conference I've been too busy to look in on much. This guy can play FS or SS with equal aplomb. Has the size you want. Nice hands for the pick, and tackles as well as you'd want. Active and confident back there. Looks like the kind who could eventually start for you, because he can do it all, and has pro size and nastiness in RS, and is enough of a ball hawk to turn around a game or two during the season for you... GRADE: Very positive
College: Eastern Michigan Conference: Mid-American Columnist: Sam Maxwell
Daniel Holtzclaw 44 6' 0.0" 246 4.80 LB 2009: Highly-touted and a very good college LB, but I am not sure he is "all that" as far as the next level is concerned. Average lateral movement skills. Over-runs some plays. Trouble quickly changing direction when he moves by a target. Top heavy. Efficient blitzer who is thick and stout at the POA. When he's headed to the right spot he gets there with some authority and whatever he hits goes down. Can arm tackle and get away with it, because he is strong up top. Not flexible enough for a high pick. Surprsingly good time-up blitzer with better wheels than you might think. Closes quicker than you might think, and finishes when blitzing. GRADE: Neutral
T.J. Lang 50 6' 4.5" 307 5.40 OT 2009: Average collegiate LOT with enough movement skills and size to think he might be able to transition inside. But, 307-pound guards who don't excel in RBing are a dime a dozen. As a LOT at this level, he is OK. A finesse guy who gets it done with his hands. Squatty. Limited drop speed and max depth. Would be killed by top-speed outside moves by quality rush ends. Can also be beaten by quick inside counter moves, even by Big 10 DEs (and at MSU--none of them are NFL caliber at present.) GRADE: Slightly negative
Josh Hunt 91 6' 4.5" 278 4.90 DT 2009: 3-pt. 4-3 DT who gives the O-line a workout, but not much stress. Doesn't penetrate often. Stands tall and waltzes with the double team, but can't fight through it. Nothing special playing where he is. Best chance would be to muscle up and get a look at strongside DE in a 4-3. Limited athletically. Nice size and effort, but definitely not worth a draft pick unless something outrageous happens with him. GRADE: Neutral
OTHER NOTES:
EMU: #3, RB Terrence Blevins has gotten better every year, and as a senior he has nice size, and decent edge speed. Was fairly productive until the O-line got tired. Ripped off a 40-yarder down the sidelines in the first half. Quicker than I remember from years gone by. Still, there is a reason a guy doesn't start until he's a senior...
LB Spenser Smith is OK..worth remembering his name for next year. Same with SS Jacob Wyatt (#21) who may be the Eagles best overall defender. That kid is instinctive.
MSU: Sr. DT Justin Kershaw is a small DT (270) who is playing out of position. No excitement really at DT, but he is productive there at this level. Had a spurt in the second half where he had a TFL and a sack in quick succession. Convert him to 4-3 DE and you might have another strongside candidate who can stop the run and hold the point OK. Verge guy for database. Sammy, please check him out.
RS Freshman WR #3 B.J. Cunningham is a future big-play stud who is an adventure right now, but shows the ability to make the tough catch and to get behind the secondary.
OLB Greg Jones will go camping in 2010 for sure.
RS Fr. QB Kirk Cousins got some work in this one and shows better long-range potential than Hoyer ever had.
SCOUTING SUMMARY:
College: Michigan State Conference: Big 10 Columnist: Sam Maxwell
Javon Ringer 23 5' 9.0" 200 4.40 HB 2009: Big game statistically, with 5 short TD runs. Strong legs. Outstanding balance--perhaps the best in the draft. Not flashy but gets the yards. One hands the ball--even in heavy traffic and SY, and gave up a fumble, and had another fumble recovered by MSU. Reminds me a bit of Ray Rice in terms of his size and productivity, but Javon makes his living even more between the tackles than Rice did in college. GRADE: Positive
Brian Hoyer 7 6' 3.0" 212 4.85 QB 2009: Below average Big 10 QB in my estimation. Decent arm, OK form and delivery. Double pumps and telegraphs his throws (but this game was very early, and maybe he's corrected that by now.) Not accurate at all. Would be a backup at practically any other Big 10 school. Needs to learn to go through progressions. GRADE: Slightly negative
Roland Martin 73 6' 5.0" 325 5.15 OG 2009: Big #73 really showed me something in this game. Best pure run blocking game from an OG I have seen all year. Of course, we must remember the LOC wasn't that great, however. Pulls quickly and delivers when he gets there. Really locks on and drives to the whistle when RBing. Keeps legs churning and embarrasses his opponent. Bends nicely while blocking but looks a little stiff in the hips. He is not nearly as proficient in pass blocking, however. I don't grade guards down so much for that, as some might, because that run blocking bull who really works is becoming a bit rare, and you can always improve PP tech. Stands too tall too fast when PPing. Lunges occasionally and misses his target. Has a lot of work to do in that area, but I'd still take him in the 5th with his size and nastiness. GRADE: Positive
Otis Wiley 21 6' 2.0" 210 4.50 S 2009: Another guy who I hadn't seen much of yet, given that the Big 10 is one conference I've been too busy to look in on much. This guy can play FS or SS with equal aplomb. Has the size you want. Nice hands for the pick, and tackles as well as you'd want. Active and confident back there. Looks like the kind who could eventually start for you, because he can do it all, and has pro size and nastiness in RS, and is enough of a ball hawk to turn around a game or two during the season for you... GRADE: Very positive
College: Eastern Michigan Conference: Mid-American Columnist: Sam Maxwell
Daniel Holtzclaw 44 6' 0.0" 246 4.80 LB 2009: Highly-touted and a very good college LB, but I am not sure he is "all that" as far as the next level is concerned. Average lateral movement skills. Over-runs some plays. Trouble quickly changing direction when he moves by a target. Top heavy. Efficient blitzer who is thick and stout at the POA. When he's headed to the right spot he gets there with some authority and whatever he hits goes down. Can arm tackle and get away with it, because he is strong up top. Not flexible enough for a high pick. Surprsingly good time-up blitzer with better wheels than you might think. Closes quicker than you might think, and finishes when blitzing. GRADE: Neutral
T.J. Lang 50 6' 4.5" 307 5.40 OT 2009: Average collegiate LOT with enough movement skills and size to think he might be able to transition inside. But, 307-pound guards who don't excel in RBing are a dime a dozen. As a LOT at this level, he is OK. A finesse guy who gets it done with his hands. Squatty. Limited drop speed and max depth. Would be killed by top-speed outside moves by quality rush ends. Can also be beaten by quick inside counter moves, even by Big 10 DEs (and at MSU--none of them are NFL caliber at present.) GRADE: Slightly negative
Josh Hunt 91 6' 4.5" 278 4.90 DT 2009: 3-pt. 4-3 DT who gives the O-line a workout, but not much stress. Doesn't penetrate often. Stands tall and waltzes with the double team, but can't fight through it. Nothing special playing where he is. Best chance would be to muscle up and get a look at strongside DE in a 4-3. Limited athletically. Nice size and effort, but definitely not worth a draft pick unless something outrageous happens with him. GRADE: Neutral
OTHER NOTES:
EMU: #3, RB Terrence Blevins has gotten better every year, and as a senior he has nice size, and decent edge speed. Was fairly productive until the O-line got tired. Ripped off a 40-yarder down the sidelines in the first half. Quicker than I remember from years gone by. Still, there is a reason a guy doesn't start until he's a senior...
LB Spenser Smith is OK..worth remembering his name for next year. Same with SS Jacob Wyatt (#21) who may be the Eagles best overall defender. That kid is instinctive.
MSU: Sr. DT Justin Kershaw is a small DT (270) who is playing out of position. No excitement really at DT, but he is productive there at this level. Had a spurt in the second half where he had a TFL and a sack in quick succession. Convert him to 4-3 DE and you might have another strongside candidate who can stop the run and hold the point OK. Verge guy for database. Sammy, please check him out.
RS Freshman WR #3 B.J. Cunningham is a future big-play stud who is an adventure right now, but shows the ability to make the tough catch and to get behind the secondary.
OLB Greg Jones will go camping in 2010 for sure.
RS Fr. QB Kirk Cousins got some work in this one and shows better long-range potential than Hoyer ever had.
QUOTE (bcdrama @ Nov 16 2008, 11:44:15 PM)
So who in this game was definately draftable? Martin and Ringer anyone else and when do you think Martin, Ringer and anyone else might be selcted?
Ringer is a 4th-round talent in my book in a draft that will be extra deep due to the CBA situation. Last year he might have been drafted in the same range as Ray Rice.
Martin, because of his PP tech issues, is not a premium talent, but he has the run blocking size, a nasty streak, and the upside to maybe go as early as the 5-6th round. Need to see his weight room numbers and see if he gets a Combine invitation.
Otis Wiley deserves to be drafted. 4th round talent, who may slip to the 6th this year.
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