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Mr. Knowitall
This will probably be met with heavy criticism but I think that Sam Bradford is going to bust in the NFL. Hear me out, Bradford is surrounded with tremendous talent at OU which definitely helps him look as good as he does. He has a plain awesome OL that doesn't let a lot of pressure get on Bradford. Bradford also has a top notch WR core and one of the best TEs in the NCAA. Now, we have yet to see how Bradford can handle throwing under pressure because really, how many times at OU was he truly pressured all game? He also has benefitted from playing in an offensive conference. The defensive rankings of the Big 12 are incredibly low. Now if Bradford is taken in the top 5-10 picks, he'll be in a not so great situation with a not so good OL. That means he won't have the elite OL and great talent around him and will have to make plays under pressure. We have yet to see if he can do that or not. Any QB can look incredibly accurate when they have all the time in the World to sit back and throw, I just feel like if Bradford is a top pick, he HAS to end up on a good team with a very good OL or he will bust. That's my bold prediction, last years bold prediction was Forte being the best RB in the draft and that one hasn't been too far off now has it? wink.gif
yerckson3420
Did you happen to make that prediction about forte way back in December? If you did, congrats. I don't remember anyoby really getting on his bandwagon until this site did a piece on him and compared him to jamal lewis.

If you are making the "surrounded by tons of talent" arguement about Bradford. Then I am curious how good do you think Tebow really is?

After all, he is surrounded by about 20 or more NFl picks. Not to mention he plays for a coach and system that made Alex Smith appear good enough to be a first selection.

Just food for thought.
Mr. Knowitall
QUOTE (yerckson3420 @ Dec 13 2008, 10:11:58 PM) *
Did you happen to make that prediction about forte way back in December? If you did, congrats. I don't remember anyoby really getting on his bandwagon until this site did a piece on him and compared him to jamal lewis.

If you are making the "surrounded by tons of talent" arguement about Bradford. Then I am curious how good do you think Tebow really is?

After all, he is surrounded by about 20 or more NFl picks. Not to mention he plays for a coach and system that made Alex Smith appear good enough to be a first selection.

Just food for thought.

Tebow is good but not great, he has some mechanical issues to work out but he could be a very good QB just like Bradford could be...the thing going for Tebow is that he is not a projected top 5 pick therefore he could end up on a solid team like Jacksonville who could sit him and get him ready for the NFL and have a solid player base around him. I honestly don't remember when I made the prediction but I was talking Forte up before CDS' piece...I think. unsure.gif
Broncosfan713
I don't think any of us have any reason to doubt Bradford's arm at all at this point. However, what could get him in trouble in the NFL in his "I don't really care sometimes" mentality.
yerckson3420
Yeah, I don't like to hear that!
B_rent87
Your prediction is not all that bold to begin with because you say he has to end up with a good team with a good o-line or he will bust. So you're saying if he does have a good o-line he has a chance not to bust? Thats a wavering prediction which in most cases is just true about any young QB, if he doesn't have a great o-line or talent around him he will bust lol. Matt Ryan's O-line has played great he has Michael Turner and Roddy White, so therefore is he in the same category as Bradford to you? Since he hasnt looked to be a bust because we havent seen him without the talent? The majority of QBs look like busts without those two things anyways. I guess what I am trying to say is it is not a bold prediction to me because it is obvious that a young QB will look like a bust 9 out 0f 10 times without the two factors you mentioned. You're leaving too much space for yourself to fall back on if he doesn't become a bust. I guess a bold prediction would be he will be a bust no matter what situation he is thrown in now that is a prediction where as it appears you are making a guess. But you make a very good argument for why he could be a bust, just rephrase your prediction it will help me sleep at night LOL
bcdrama
I was also on Forte this time last year AND DeSean Jackson, but I blew it on Ryan! We all have moments, but Bradford will regret it if he comes out in 09, he needs at least 1 more year physically and mentally. He has Eli Manning-type potential but if he comes out too soon he'll never max out. That's my prediction. wink.gif

QUOTE (Mr. Knowitall @ Dec 14 2008, 3:41:32 AM) *
This will probably be met with heavy criticism but I think that Sam Bradford is going to bust in the NFL. Hear me out, Bradford is surrounded with tremendous talent at OU which definitely helps him look as good as he does. He has a plain awesome OL that doesn't let a lot of pressure get on Bradford. Bradford also has a top notch WR core and one of the best TEs in the NCAA. Now, we have yet to see how Bradford can handle throwing under pressure because really, how many times at OU was he truly pressured all game? He also has benefitted from playing in an offensive conference. The defensive rankings of the Big 12 are incredibly low. Now if Bradford is taken in the top 5-10 picks, he'll be in a not so great situation with a not so good OL. That means he won't have the elite OL and great talent around him and will have to make plays under pressure. We have yet to see if he can do that or not. Any QB can look incredibly accurate when they have all the time in the World to sit back and throw, I just feel like if Bradford is a top pick, he HAS to end up on a good team with a very good OL or he will bust. That's my bold prediction, last years bold prediction was Forte being the best RB in the draft and that one hasn't been too far off now has it? wink.gif

PatriotofMaine
QUOTE (bcdrama @ Dec 16 2008, 11:58:44 AM) *
I was also on Forte this time last year AND DeSean Jackson, but I blew it on Ryan! We all have moments, but Bradford will regret it if he comes out in 09, he needs at least 1 more year physically and mentally. He has Eli Manning-type potential but if he comes out too soon he'll never max out. That's my prediction. wink.gif



I concur TOTALLY in Bradford. He is nowhere near as NFL ready as Ryan was. Whoever drafts him..or any QB that comes out this year--had better have a starter ready to mentor their draft pick for a couple years. I actually think Nate Davis is probably the most NFL ready IF he goes to the right team.
bcdrama
There is not a QB in this draft I would take prior to the mid 3rd, now if Davis, Freeman, Bradford, McCoy and Tebow all come back and improve I could see all of them going prior to the mid 3rd next year. wink.gif However there are some bargain type senior QBs who will be better than almost everyone thinks.

QUOTE (PatriotofMaine @ Dec 16 2008, 6:19:30 PM) *
I concur TOTALLY in Bradford. He is nowhere near as NFL ready as Ryan was. Whoever drafts him..or any QB that comes out this year--had better have a starter ready to mentor their draft pick for a couple years. I actually think Nate Davis is probably the most NFL ready IF he goes to the right team.

PatriotofMaine
QUOTE (bcdrama @ Dec 16 2008, 2:23:00 PM) *
There is not a QB in this draft I would take prior to the mid 3rd, now if Davis, Freeman, Bradford, McCoy and Tebow all come back and improve I could see all of them going prior to the mid 3rd next year. wink.gif However there are some bargain type senior QBs who will be better than almost everyone thinks.


You might say that with some justification, Bill. But you know as well as anyone that if Bradford and Freeman and Stafford are sitting there and your team needs a franchise QB of the future, GMs are not going to be able to resist pulling the trigger on guys like that in the late first-- at worst. It happens every year. QBs will ALWAYS be over-drafted in years when there are no clear stud QBs, as long as the forward pass is still king of the gridiron.
bcdrama
Oh I don't doubt for an instant that in the top 1/2 of the draft some team will reach for a QB, but in the short term, 2 seasons or so you'd be better of trying to acquire Sage Rosenfels or Tyler Thigpen. Davis and Freeman with Stafford 3rd have the most upside, Bradford is at least 1 year away in my mind. Harrell and heck even Mike Glennon will be better pros than most think. But if you take an underclassmen early- and possibly a RS sophomore!??!! Ouch! ohmy.gif

QUOTE (PatriotofMaine @ Dec 16 2008, 9:18:25 PM) *
You might say that with some justification, Bill. But you know as well as anyone that if Bradford and Freeman and Stafford are sitting there and your team needs a franchise QB of the future, GMs are not going to be able to resist pulling the trigger on guys like that in the late first-- at worst. It happens every year. QBs will ALWAYS be over-drafted in years when there are no clear stud QBs, as long as the forward pass is still king of the gridiron.

Broncosfan713
This QB class is not very special if you ask me. All of these guys are great college QB's but none of them really strike me as having it all for the NFL. Bradford's arm definitely translates the best, but like I said before his mental toughness certainly concerns me. If I am a really bad team looking to rebuild I am drafting a WR or an offensive linemen to jumpstart my team this year and NOT a QB.
Mr. Knowitall
QUOTE (B_rent87 @ Dec 14 2008, 6:38:47 PM) *
Your prediction is not all that bold to begin with because you say he has to end up with a good team with a good o-line or he will bust. So you're saying if he does have a good o-line he has a chance not to bust? Thats a wavering prediction which in most cases is just true about any young QB, if he doesn't have a great o-line or talent around him he will bust lol. Matt Ryan's O-line has played great he has Michael Turner and Roddy White, so therefore is he in the same category as Bradford to you? Since he hasnt looked to be a bust because we havent seen him without the talent? The majority of QBs look like busts without those two things anyways. I guess what I am trying to say is it is not a bold prediction to me because it is obvious that a young QB will look like a bust 9 out 0f 10 times without the two factors you mentioned. You're leaving too much space for yourself to fall back on if he doesn't become a bust. I guess a bold prediction would be he will be a bust no matter what situation he is thrown in now that is a prediction where as it appears you are making a guess. But you make a very good argument for why he could be a bust, just rephrase your prediction it will help me sleep at night LOL

Whoa chill Brent. wink.gif I was making the point of saying that Bradford is badly overhyped and is made to look great by his talent around him. People call him one of the most accurate QBs they have ever seen, I was just making the point of saying that he has all day to throw. I am not going to predict he will bust in any situation because if he lands on a good team, he could be good but he's not the type of QB in my mind that you will build your franchise around, he's a guy who you bring into finish your franchise(like Big Ben did in Pitt). I guess my prediction wasn't all that bold and I guess we all have quite a few doubts on Sammy.
nyyjones
QUOTE (Mr. Knowitall @ Dec 16 2008, 6:22:45 PM) *
Whoa chill Brent. wink.gif I was making the point of saying that Bradford is badly overhyped and is made to look great by his talent around him. People call him one of the most accurate QBs they have ever seen, I was just making the point of saying that he has all day to throw. I am not going to predict he will bust in any situation because if he lands on a good team, he could be good but he's not the type of QB in my mind that you will build your franchise around, he's a guy who you bring into finish your franchise(like Big Ben did in Pitt). I guess my prediction wasn't all that bold and I guess we all have quite a few doubts on Sammy.

The problem with your prediction, Mr. Knowitall, is that normally half the QBs who go in the top of the draft come from schools where they're surrounded by top talent. How many USC QBs have been drafted in the first 15 picks in the last say, 15 years? You could also transpose your argument to any round, not just the first. It's like you're saying if you play QB for a school with a lot of talent, then it's likely you won't be a good NFL QB unless you go to a team with an equal ability to "make you look good." Basically, your argument doesn't hold up. There's really no telling in most cases how a QB will do once he is behind center in the NFL, and takes his first snap. If he can adjust to the speed of the game, and the complexity of the defenses, then he'll be successful. That's why I like what bcdrama had to say about the experience factor, rather than the near virtual vagueness of your statements.
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