No rosters yet.

Coming soon...

Currently known to be attending are:

Graham Harrell
Rey Maualuga
Brian Cushing
Clay Matthews
Fili Moala
Kyle Moore
Tyronne Green
John Parker Wilson
Rashad Johnson
Travis McCall
Antoine Caldwell
Arian Foster
Robert Ayers
Anthony Parker
Kenny McKinley
Mitch King
Javon Ringer
Cullen Harper
James Davis
Michael Hamlin
Derrick Williams
Mike Mickens
DeAngelo Smith
Trevor Canfield
Kevin Huber
Andy Levitre
Keenan Lewis
Scott McKillop
B.J. Raji
Michael Johnson
Vance Walker
Louis Delmas
Brandon Pettigrew
Max Unger
Jeremiah Johnson
Pat White
Ellis Lankster
Brooks Foster
Alex Mack
Zack Follett
Kraig Urbik
Larry English
Troy Kropog
Derek Pegues
Erik Kettani
Mohammed Massaquoi
Corey Irvin
David Bruton
Sherrod Martin
Shawn Nelson
Aaron Curry
Alphonso Smith
Chip Vaughn

Looks like they are getting it mostly right!

I can't remember. Was Sed ellis even projected as afirst rounder prior to the senior bowl last year?

Could we see another case this year where a guy looks amazing in the SB and really makes jimself alot of money?

If so, anybody want to make a prediction?

(I will say Mitch King is a high riser)

sed started to get noticed as first round potential after the previous sesons bowl game. i think people that were highly ranked and then had dissapointing seasons can make big leaps. like cullen harper and arian foster. also i want to see what pat white is going to do. i still think he could play qb.

Follett, Foster, Harrell, Kenny McKinley, Mohammed Massaquoi Shawn Nelson and Chip Vaughn will likely lift their stock. John Parker Wilson will show flashes but largely confirm what is already known the same for: the backs- Davis and Ringer.

I think one or more of the top CBs might get exposed a bit: Mickens or Smith, I thnk the USC guys will all look like future pro's but Cushing is the one I'd keep an eye on to jump out at you.

I think Max Unger and Antoine Caldwell are going to really step forward at center and move ahead of Mack and Luigs. I think, also, that the quality of the interior linemen is going to show (Tyronne Green, Andy Levitre, Trevor Canfield). -- And as a result, some of the defensive tackles won't look as good as people expect (especially Fili Moala).

Full coverage of the Senior Bowl practices begin this afternoon on The NFL Network (DirectTV Channel 212).

Here is the NORTH ROSTER:

1 Brooks Foster WR North Carolina
1 Darius Butler DB Connecticut
2 Derrick Williams WR Penn State
4 Brandon Gibson WR Washington St.
4 Macho Harris DB Virginia Tech
5 Nic Harris LB Oklahoma
6 DeAngelo Smith DB Cincinnati
6 Graham Harrell QB Texas Tech
7 Rhett Bomar QB Sam Houston St.
9 Juaquin Iglesias WR Oklahoma
10 Nathan Brown QB Central Arkansas
11 Ramses Barden WR Cal Poly
11 William Moore DB Missouri
15 Patrick Chung DB Oregon
16 Keenan Lewis DB Oregon State
21 Mike Mickens DB Cincinnati
23 Kory Sheets RB Purdue
24 Jeremiah Johnson RB Oregon
25 Louis Delmas DB Western Michigan
27 David Bruton DB Notre Dame
35 Louie Sakoda K Utah
36 Eric Kettani RB Navy
37 Cedric Peerman RB Virginia
40 Scott McKillop LB Pittsburgh
43 Tony Fiammetta RB Syracuse
47 Kevin Huber P Cincinnati
50 Clint Sintim LB Virginia
51 Alex Mack OL California
51 Larry English DL Northern Illinois
52 Cody Brown DL Connecticut
54 Tyrone McKenzie LB USF
55 Marcus Freeman LB Ohio St.
56 Zack Follett LB California
57 Mark Estermyer DS Pittsburgh
60 Max Unger OL Oregon
63 Kraig Urbik OL Wisconsin
64 William Beatty OL Connecticut
66 Andy Levitre OL Oregon State
68 Xavier Fulton OL Illinois
72 Ryan Shuman OL Virginia Tech
76 Trevor Canfield OL Cincinnati
79 Phil Loadholt OL Oklahoma
80 Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State
81 Will Davis DL Illinois
82 Connor Barwin TE Cincinnati
85 John Phillips TE Virginia
87 Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St.
90 B.J. Raji DL Boston College
91 Tim Jamison DL Michigan
92 Ron Brace DL Boston College
94 Ziggy Hood DL Missouri
97 Mitch King DL Iowa

Here is the SOUTH ROSTER:

1 Coye Francies DB San Jose State
1 Mohamed Massaquoi WR Georgia
2 Alphonso Smith DB Wake Forest
2 Mike Thomas WR Arizona
3 Derek Pegues DB Mississippi St.
4 Ellis Lankster DB West Virginia
5 Pat White QB West Virginia
6 Sherrod Martin DB Troy
6 Quan Cosby WR Texas
7 Patrick Turner WR USC
9 Chip Vaughn DB Wake Forest
9 Mike Wallace WR Ole Miss
10 Cullen Harper QB Clemson
10 Brian Cushing LB USC
11 Ashlee Palmer LB Ole Miss
11 Kenny McKinley WR South Carolina
14 John Parker Wilson QB Alabama
15 Thomas Morstead P SMU
16 Domonique Johnson DB Jackson State
22 James Davis RB Clemson
23 Rashad Jennings RB Liberty
24 Andre Brown RB NC State
25 Michael Hamlin DB Clemson
27 Arian Foster RB Tennessee
40 Patrick McAfee K West Virginia
45 Quinn Johnson RB LSU
47 Clay Matthews LB USC
48 Darry Beckwith LB LSU
49 Rashad Johnson DB Alabama
57 Jake Ingram DS Hawaii
58 Rey Maualuga LB USC
59 Moise Fokou LB Maryland
59 Antoine Caldwell OL Alabama
60 Eric Wood OL Louisville
63 Jonathan Luigs OL Arkansas
71 Tyronne Green OL Auburn
74 Michael Oher OL Ole Miss
75 Anthony Parker OL Tennessee
75 Fili Moala DL USC
76 Troy Kropog OL Tulane
77 Jason Watkins OL Florida
79 Herman Johnson OL LSU
81 Shawn Nelson TE Southern Miss
83 Travis McCall TE Alabama
84 Kyle Moore DL USC
85 Anthony Hill TE NC State
90 Corvey Irvin DL Georgia
91 Robert Ayers DL Tennessee
92 David Veikune DL Hawaii
95 Lawrence Sidbury DL Richmond
98 Peria Jerry DL Ole Miss
99 Vance Walker DL Georgia Tech

There are about a hlaf dozen guys who DON'T BELONG on these rosters...probably not even on the E-W Shrine rosters either.

Why don't these people ask me?....lol....

So what changes would you make?

The 5 guys Im most excited to see play are

Bomar- Is he still talented?

Ayers- I think underrated, super athletic.

Hood- How does he do vs stronger comp.?

Jennings- Can he put up great number vs. top comp?

Mickens- How will he handle bigger guys like Massuqoi, Turner and McKinley?



O and Delmas too- Is he all Maycock hype or is he a legit 1st rounder?

Official weigh-ins for the North Squad, and brief observations on yesterday's practice:

Brooks Foster, WR, UNC 600.6 204
Darius Butler, CB, UConn 510.1 178
Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State 511.3 197
Graham Harrell, QB, Texas Tech 602.0 217
Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston 602.1 224
Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma 600.6 204
Nathan Brown, QB Central Ark. 600.6 217
Ramses Barden, WR, Cal Poly 606.0 227
Keenan Lewis, CB, Cal 600.6 198
Kory Sheets, HB, Purdue 511.1 203
Cedric Peerman, HB, Virginia 509.4 203
Kraig Urbik, OG, Wisconsin, 605.4 323
William Beatty OT, UConn 606.0 291
Andy Levitre, OL Oregon State 602.3 306
Ryan Shuman, OG, Va Tech 602.8 300
Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma 608 343
Connor Barwin, DE, Cincy 603.3 253
Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma St. 605.3 257
B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College 601.6 334
Tim Jamison, DE, Michigan 602.6 265
Ron Brace, DT, Boston College 603.0 329
Mitch King, DE, Iowa 601.5 275

Would one of you mods with highspeed please "edit player" for these guys with these new measurements? TIA.

Also, if anyone has a more complete list for the North Squad, please let me know.

The players who helped themselves in the first session were:

Darius Butler
Keenan Lewis
Ramses Barden
Kory Sheets
Kraig Urbik
Ron Brace
Mitch King

Players who hurt themselves:
Alex Mack
Phil Loadholt
Louis Delmas
Trevor Canfield

Top five heaviest

1. LSU G Herman Johnson -- 382 pounds
2. Oklahoma OT Phil Loadholt -- 343
3. Boston College DT Ron Brace -- 329
4. Wisconsin G Kraig Urbik -- 323
5. Florida OT Jason Watkins -- 317

Top Five Lightest

1. Cincinnati CB Mike Mickens -- 176
2. Connecticut CB Darius Butler -- 178
3. South Carolina WR Kenny McKinley -- 182
4. Virginia Tech CB Macho Harris -- 186
5. Arizona WR Mike Thomas -- 187

Top five tallest

1. Oklahoma OT Phil Loadholt -- 6-foot-8
2. LSU G Herman Johnson -- 6-7⅜
T3. Cal Poly WR Ramses Barden -- 6-6
T3. Connecticut G William Beatty -- 6-6
T3. Florida OT Jason Watkins -- 6-6

Top Five Shortest

1. Arizona WR Mike Thomas -- 5-8
2. Oregon RB Jeremiah Johnson -- 5-8¾
3. Wake Forest CB Alphonso Smith -- 5-8⅞
T4. Mississippi State S Derek Pegues -- 5-9⅜
T4. Virginia RB Cedric Peerman -- 5-9⅜

Top five largest hands

1. LSU G Herman Johnson OG LSU -- 11½ inches
2. Georgia Tech DT Vance Walker -- 11⅛
3. California C Alex Mack -- 10⅝
T4. Oklahoma State TE Brandon Pettigrew -- 10½
T4. Richmond DE Lawrence Sidbury -- 10½

Top five smallest hands

1. Virginia RB Cedric Peerman -- 7⅞
2. West Virginia DB Ellis Lankster -- 8¼
3. Troy DB Sherrod Martin -- 8¼
4. South Carolina WR Kenny McKinley -- 8¾
5. Ryan Shuman G Virginia Tech -- 8⅞

Top five longest arms

1. Oklahoma OT Phil Loadholt -- 36⅝
2. LSU G Herman Johnson -- 36
3. Richmond DE Lawrence Sidbury -- 35
4. Oklahoma State Brandon Pettigrew -- 34¾
T5. Southern Miss TE Shawn Nelson -- 34⅝
T5. Tennessee G Anthony Parker -- 34⅝
T5. Connecticut G William Beatty -- 34⅝

Top five shortest arms

1. Cincinnati CB DeAngelo Smith -- 29½
2. Navy FB Eric Kettani -- 29¾
T3. Clemson QB Cullen Harper -- 30½
T3. West Virginia DB Ellis Lankster -- 30½
T3. South Carolina WR Kenny McKinley -- 30½
T3. Central Arkansas QB Nathan Brown -- 30½
T3. Syracuse FB Tony Fiametta -- 30½
T3. California OLB Zack Follett -- 30½
T3. Oregon RB Jeremiah Johnson -- 30½
T3. Virginia RB Cedric Peerman -- 30½

Complete Weigh-In Info: (sorry, I posted this elsewhere in the forums before I saw this thread)


Full Name (North) - Pos - School - Ht - Wt - Hand - Arm
Ramses Barden - WR - Cal-Poly - 6060 - 227 - 10 5/8 - 33 3/4
Connor Barwin - OLB - Cincinnati - 6033 - 253 - 9 7/8 - 33
William Beatty - T - Connecticut - 6060 - 291 - 10 1/8 - 34 1/2
Rhett Bomar - QB - Sam Houston State - 6021 - 224 - 9 1/4 - 31 1/2
Ron Brace - DT - Boston College - 6030 - 329 - 9 5/8 - 33 3/4
Cody Brown - DE - Connecticut - 6021 - 242 - 10 - 33 3/4
Nathan Brown - QB - Central Arkansas - 6005 - 217 - 9 1/8 - 30 1/2
David Bruton - S - Notre Dame - 6016 - 210 - 10 - 34
Darius Butler - CB - Connecticut - 5101 - 178 - 9 5/8 - 31 3/4
Trevor Canfield - G - Cincinnati - 6044 - 311 - 9 1/4 - 31
Patrick Chung - S - Oregon - 5111 - 207 - 9 - 31
Will Davis - DE - Illinois - 6023 - 262 - 9 3/4 - 31 5/8
Louis Delmas - S - Western Illinois - 5112 - 197 - 9 3/8 - 31 3/4
Larry English - DE - Northern Illinois - 6021 - 254 - 9 3/4 - 32 1/2
Mark Estermyer - LS - Pittsburgh - 6006 - 247 - 9 7/8 - 30 5/8
Tony Fiammetta - FB - Syracuse - 5117 - 246 - 9 3/8 - 30 1/2
Zach Follett - OLB - California - 6016 - 231 - 9 1/4 - 30 1/2
Brooks Foster - WR - North Carolina - 6005 - 204 - 9 1/2 - 31 1/2
Marcus Freeman - OLB - Ohio State - 6005 - 235 - 9 1/8 - 30 3/4
Xavier Fulton - T - Illinois - 6044 - 301 - 10 1/8 - 33
Brandon Gibson - WR - Washington State - 6003 - 204 - 9 3/8 - 31 3/4
Graham Harrell - QB - Texas Tech - 6020 - 217 - 9 1/2 - 31 1/4
Victor Harris - CB - Virginia Tech - 5107 - 186 - 9 - 31 3/8
Nic Harris - S - Oklahoma - 6020 - 233 - 10 - 32 5/8
Evander Hood - DT - Missouri - 6031 - 298 - 9 7/8 - 33 1/4
Kevin Huber - P - Cincinnati - 6007 - 221 - 9 1/8 - 30 1/2
Juaquin Iglesias - WR - Oklahoma - 6005 - 204 - 9 3/4 - 30 5/8
Tim Jamison - DE - Michigan - 6025 - 265 - 9 3/8 - 33 1/2
Jeremiah Johnson - RB - Oregon - 5086 - 198 - 9 1/4 - 30 1/2
Eric Kettani - FB - Navy - 5115 - 231 - 9 1/2 - 29 3/4
Mitch King - DT - Iowa - 6014 - 275 - 10 - 31
Andy Levitre - G - Oregon State - 6023 - 306 - 9 3/8 - 32 3/4
Keenan Lewis - CB - Oregon State - 6005 - 198 - 9 3/4 - 32 3/4
Phil Loadholt - T - Oklahoma - 6080 - 343 - 9 7/8 - 36 1/2
Alex Mack - C - California - 6041 - 312 - 10 5/8 - 33 1/4
Tyrone McKenzie - OLB - South Florida - 6017 - 244 - 9 7/8 - 33 1/4
Scott McKillop - ILB - Pittsburgh - 6010 - 243 - 9 5/8 - 31 3/4
Mike Mickens - CB - Cincinnati - 5110 - 176 - 9 3/4 - 31 1/2
William Moore - S - Missouri - 6001 - 223 - 9 1/8 - 31 3/4
Cedric Peerman - RB - Virginia - 5093 - 210 - 7 7/8 - 30 1/2
Brandon Pettigrew - TE - Oklahoma State - 6052 - 257 - 101/2 - 34 3/4
John Phillips - TE - Virginia - 6053 - 251 - 10 1/8 - 34
B.J. Raji - DT - Boston College - 6015 - 334 - 10 1/4 - 31 1/4
Brian Robiskie - WR - Ohio State - 6027 - 207 - 9 5/8 - 31 1/8
Louis Sakoda - PK - Utah - 5084 - 171 - 8 3/8 - 28 1/2
Kory Sheets - RB - Purdue - 5111 - 203 - 9 1/4 - 30 3/4
Ryan Shuman - G - Virginia Tech - 6026 - 300 - 8 7/8 - 31 1/2
Clint Sintim - OLB - Virginia - 6025 - 249 - 9 7/8 - 33
DeAngelo Smith - CB - Cincinnati - 5104 - 191 - 9 1/8 - 29 1/2
Max Unger - T - Oregon - 6046 - 299 - 9 3/8 - 32 1/2
Kraig Urbik - G - Wisconsin - 6053 - 323 - 10 1/4 - 33 1/2
Derek Williams - WR - Penn State - 5112 - 197 - 9 - 31
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Full Name (South) - Pos - School - Ht - Wt - Hand - Arm
Robert Ayers - DE - Tennessee - 6031 - 273 - 9 7/8 - 32 1/2
Darry Beckwith - LB - LSU - 6003 - 233 - 9 7/8 - 32
Andre Brown - RB - North Carolina State - 6002 - 224 - 9 1/2 - 32
Antoine Caldwell - C - Alabama - 6033 - 307 - 10 1/2 - 33 3/4
Quan Cosby - WR - Texas - 5086 - 191 - 9 1/4 - 30
Brian Cushing - LB - USC - 6031 - 243 - Sep-78 - 31 3/4
James Davis - RB - Clemson - 5106 - 207 - 10 1/8 - 30 1/2
Moise Fokou - LB - Maryland - 6011 - 228 - 10 1/4 - 33 7/8
Arian Foster - RB - Tennessee - 6004 - 232 - 9 7/8 - 33
Coye Francies - CB - Oregon State - 6002 - 179 - 8 7/8 - 31 1/2
Tyronne Green - OG - Auburn - 6015 - 305 - 10 1/2 - 33
Michael Hamlin - S - Clemson - 6020 - 207 - 9 1/2 - 31 3/4
Cullen Harper - QB - Clemson - 6026 - 227 - 9 1/2 - 30 1/2
Anthony Hill - TE - North Carolina State - 6051 - 264 - 10 - 33 5/8
Jake Ingram - LS - Hawaii - 6030 - 235 - 9 1/8 - 31 3/8
Corvey Irvin - DT - Georgia - 6030 - 296 - 9 3/4 - 34
Rashad Jennings - RB - Liberty - 6010 - 234 - 9 7/8 - 32 1/2
Peria Jerry - DT - Mississippi - 6015 - 290 - 9 3/8 - 32 1/4
Domonique Johnson - CB - Jackson State - 6014 - 192 - 9 3/4 - 32
Herman Johnson - OG - LSU - 6073 - 382 - 11 1/4 - 36
Rashad Johnson - S - Alabama - 5114 - 195 - 9 - 30 7/8
Quinn Johnson - FB - LSU - 6006 - 251 - 10 1/4 - 32 1/4
Troy Kropog - OT - Tulane - 6053 - 316 - 10 1/4 - 33 1/4
Ellis Lankster - CB - West Virginia - 5091 - 191 - 8 1/2 - 30 1/2
Jonathan Luigs - C - Arkansas - 6033 - 302 - 9 1/4 - 31 3/4
Sherrod Martin - S - Troy State - 6006 - 197 - 8 1/2 - 30 3/4
Mohamed Massaquoi - WR - Georgia - 6013 - 210 - 9 3/4 - 32 1/2
Clay Matthews - LB - USC - 6030 - 246 - 9 3/8 - 32
Rey Maualuga - LB - USC - 6017 - 254 - 10 - 31 5/8
Pat McAfee - K - West Virginia - 5114 - 228 - 9 1/4 - 30 1/4
Travis McCall - TE - Alabama - 6020 - 276 - 9 1/4 - 33
Kenny McKinley - WR - South Carolina - 5115 - 182 - 8 3/4 - 30 1/2
Fili Moala - DT - USC - 6042 - 303 - 10 - 33 3/4
Kyle Moore - DE - USC - 6046 - 265 - 9 1/2 - 33 3/4
Thomas Morstead - P - SMU - 6042 - 228 - 9 1/8 - 32 3/4
Shawn Nelson - TE - Southern Miss - 6046 - 238 - 10 1/8 - 34 1/2
Michael Oher - C - Mississippi - 6050 - 309 - 10 1/4 - 33 1/4
Ashlee Palmer - LB - Mississippi - 6014 - 223 - 10 - 32
Anthony Parker - OG - Tennessee - 6017 - 310 - 10 - 34 1/2
Derek Pegues - S - Mississippi State - 5093 - 193 - 9 - 31 3/4
Lawrence Sidbury - DE - Richmond - 6023 - 267 - 10 1/2 - 35
Alphonso Smith - CB - Wake Forest - 5087 - 193 - 9 5/8 - 31
Mike Thomas - WR - Arizona - 5080 - 187 - 9 1/4 - 31
Patrick Turner - WR - USC - 6051 - 221 - 9 3/8 - 33
Chip Vaughn - S - Wake Forest - 6010 - 218 - 9 3/8 - 31 1/2
David Veikune - DE - Hawaii - 6022 - 255 - 10 1/4 - 32 3/4
Vance Walker - DT - Georgia Tech - 6020 - 295 - 11 1/8 - 33 7/8
Mike Wallace - WR - Mississippi - 6001 - 189 - 9 - 33 3/4
Jason Watkins - OT - Florida - 6060 - 317 - 10 1/8 - 33 3/4
Pat White - QB - West Virginia - 6000 - 190 - 9 1/8 - 32 3/4
John Parker-Wilson - QB - Alabama - 6014 - 215 - 9 3/8 - 31
Eric Wood - C - Louisville - 6041 - 304 - 10 1/8 - 33

Guys, I m hearing that Nic Harris is playing at OLB this week..I haven't seen practice but I was wondering if someone else heard that or saw practice?

He practiced at safety yesterday, although there was some speculation that he'd get some reps at LB. Haven't heard anything from today yet.

Connor Barwin (DE/LB-Cincy) is practicing at TE for the North because they needed another one at the position, although he should be tried at LB.

He practiced at OLB this morning. Looks the part off the bus, but is going to need some reps to transition effectively. Looked a little bit lost.

I usually don't like going off of other people, but I used to talk to Matt McGuire frequently over at walterfootball.com Here's his notes on each weigh in

O- http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2009weighinoffense.php
D- http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2009weighindefense.php

He also has his daily notes and a blog up. Since I'm at school there's some good info there that recap the day quickly..

First South Squad televised practice:

Players who helped themselves:

Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
Brian Cushing, OLB, U.S.C.
Andre Brown, HB, NC State
Antoine Caldwell, C, Alabama
Fili Moala, DT, U.S.C.
Shawn Nelson, TE, Southern Miss
Kyle Moore, DE, U.S.C.
Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee

So far I have been really impressed with Derrick Williams WR PSU and This is the first time I have got to watch much of macho harris(db VT) I really like his press skills.

Of course this is just drills and practices

From what I'm hearing Brandon Pettigrew is doing really well for himself...Its hard to believe he didn't score a TD this year..

And mark me down as a Derrick Williams fan...I gathered information on him when he was considering Oklahoma and have to say I hated that he didn't come here...But I like him a lot.....

I see Juaquin Iglesias had a big day yesterday and has had a pretty good week of practices...Manny Johnson is now on the North roster...

Sounds like Nic Harris really picked it up yesterday at the OLB spot....

Yea, Nic really showed me something in this morning's session. He is going to make a fine WILL, and is handling the transition well. Back in the Top for this young STUD.

Iglesias looks good, yes...but Robiskie and Turner have stolen most of the thunder. Williams has been very steady also.

Darius Butler has really helped himself today, as have:

Zack Follet
Tony Fiammetta
William Beatty (who has rocketed up everyone's charts)

B.J. Raji has bounced Oher out of the Top 10.

Guys who continue to slide:

William Moore
Ramses Barden

Players from the South squad who really helped themselves during the first two televised practice sessions:

Pat White, QB, West Virginia: Has proven he needs to be tried first at QB after all. Shows a stronger arm with better accuracy than most though he possessed. The new stage in the "Wildcat" offensive development...a true dual threat!

Patrick Turner, WR, U.S.C.: Has really opened eyes with his cutting ability and separation quickness for one so large. Catches cleanly too. Has jumped all the way up to a top 5 senior WR in our position rankings, and onto the Top 100. IS NOT MIKE WILLIAMS II.

Chip Vaughn, S, Wake Forest: Shows he is tough enough to stick people with the best of them, and can cover better than some thought.

Andre Brown, HB, N.C. State: A 224-pound back with better moves than probably any back of his size or larger in this draft.

Clay Matthews, OLB, U.S.C.: Kudos to Brett for pointing out that this guy needed to be in our Top 100 over two months ago. He only continues to rise.

Tyronne Green, OG, Auburn: Underappreciated OG who came into this week as a borderline draftable guy, and has not looked out of place at all with bigger (and bigger name) OGs surrounding him at Mobile, and has worked his way into 5-6th round consideration.

Shawn Nelson, TE, Southern Miss: The talk of the Senior Bowl, really. Everyone knew he could catch, but he also displays the willingness to block, can stretch a seam, and has the frame to go from his current 238 up to 250-255.

Kyle Moore, DE, U.S.C.: Kind of the hidden man on the U.S.C. defense, but we've had him fairly highly-rated for months knowing he had the frame to grow into a premium 3-4 DE.

Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee: One-year wonder for the Vols who has done nothing but impress, and continues his fine senior-year momentum at the Senior Bowl. Looks like a possible 2nd-rounder now after coming in as a 4-5th round type guy.

Vance Walker, DT, Georgia Tech: CDS has him highly ranked most of the year, but his play tailed off as he wore down late in the Ga Tech season. Has come into Mobile looking fresh and has impressed in 1-on-1s. Needs some sort of energy drink for weeks 12-16 of the NFL season?

Just watching today's South Practice and though they're not in pads I'm trying to do a bit of scouting / nit picking.

Rashad Jennings was just struggling in a couple of the power/hitting drills. The Coach picked him up on his not wanting to put his all into the hit. Is this something that he did in college? Is it going to be something that he's going to be afraid to do in the NFL?

John Parker Wilson just ran a 2min offense and was throwing quite nicely and with accuracy at first. He did try to put one into double coverage though and threw to the receivers outside shoulder on a sideline route, leaving him out of bounds.

The Center, which I believe was Luigs, just made a rookie mistake...he snapped the ball to the QB who he thought was under center...trouble was he was in shotgun.

Massaquoi just had a bad drop. It couldn't have been better for him really in terms of catchability.

Brian Cushing just showed he can cover in 7-7 as well as hit...nice!

Patrick Turner is starting to make a noise and just had a very nice TD catch despite good coverage from Domonique Johnson.

Mike Wallace is having a good week too and made a nice sideline catch just now.

Michael Hamlin has made a couple of nice breaks on the ball in 7-7 and batted down a couple of passes. Made a nice play on a WR reverse too!

Is Alphonso Smith the next DeAngelo Hall? He's a bit undersized but more importantly he's always looking to make an INT or knock down the pass instead of making the sure play.

Cullen Harper just had Patrick Turner open on a 15-20ish yard route, and underthrew him by about a mile...

And that's a wrap...

Green was borderline draftable before Senior Bowl week??? Really? He was a stud at Auburn all year. I liked the potential I saw in 2007-08 and he stepped it up even more so as a senior. I don't think he's really much of a surprise and wouldn't be at all surprised if he sneaks into the end of round 3--although I think he has round 4 written all over him.

I think Shawn Nelson has really helped himself, he was a late 2nd day pick in the mind of most, after this and the combine he may be on the 3rd/4th cusp, Curry and Cushing were my 2 favorite LBs in college going into the season and nothing has changed that. Alex Mack has impressed me I think he's gone in the 1st 5-10 picks of round 2. Turner who may be asked to become a "move" TE or H-Back is likely to also move up a round or 2. I think Smith is trying too hard, but I still like him a great deal. Hamlin is solid all the way around.
I have always said that Pat White is ahead of where Rich Gannon was aat the same point and Gannon became an All Pro, so let's wait a bit before we move him to WR or DB. Chip Vaughn was my safety Mancrush this year and I'd love to see him go to the Steelers in 3rd. Clark could back up both safety spots and Polamalu would be the FS. Follett is a very good mid-round bargain, Derrick Williams will be a steal if he's there in the early 2nd, Moore and Matthews are also on my Steelers wish list! Pettigrew in my mind is a top 3 TE and is perhaps the most complete one in this draft.

The stuff I've been reading has been very different in tone regarding his effectiveness as a passer this week.

I still think he's a 7th round/practice squad guy unless he gets into camp and turns into Josh Cribbs.

BPboy,

I am sorry you are having such an unfortunate reading experience, my friend. Stick with CDS.

Anybody who tells you Pat White is a 7th round-practice squad guy is sipping some VERY funky Kool-aid.

Yeah, I'm with Messers Martin and Mayock on Pat White...he's a 3rd or 4th round guy who you find a way to use somehow or other. Apparently Jack Del Rio has scripted a "Pat White Package" which is likely to be seen at some point during the Bowl game and my understanding is that it shows off a bit of what he can do running the football but also allows him to show off his abilities as a passer.

And while I'm at it, I have to say that of the 3 South QBs (the others being Cullen Harper and JP Wilson), he looked the best out there yesterday.

From what ive heard Peria Jerry is now a top 10 pick aswell as Raji.

But the guy i think has helped him self the most is Derrick Williams out of pen state. I think he has put himself in the 1st round

Raji is.

Jerry is a 10-25 guy.

They just posted a column on pfw.com about how most observers in Mobile didn't wanted him to move to WR and that his passing accuracy was eratic during the week of practice.


As far as I'm concerned, everyone's welcome to their opinions, but yours was the first true positive review I've read about White this week.

My personal notes from Mobile:


http://www.realgmfootball.com/src_encroach...s_from_tuesday/
http://www.realgmfootball.com/src_encroach...nesday_edition/
http://www.realgmfootball.com/src_encroach...ursday_edition/


Quick thoughts on winners and losers
Winners:
Raji solidified himself in the top 10 picks, perhaps top 5. I know Seattle loves him.
Coye Francies moved up to the 25-40 range
Brian Robiskie moved to 50-70 range
Alex Mack is the freaking man, best C prospect of the 2000s
Xavier Fulton moved up from 6th round to at least being considered in the 3rd, probably a 4th though
Alphonso Smith solidified himself as the #2 CB after Jenkins
Robert Ayers had a real nice week, drew some Merriman comparisons though I don't see it
Shawn Nelson opened a lot of eyes, mine included
Mitch King and Alex Magee both fared well

Losers:
All QBs, but esp. Cullen Harper and Graham Harrell. Neither should be drafted. I agree with Mayock about Pat White--take him at the top of the 4th and use him as a #2 QB and also 10-15 snaps at Wildcat or WR. He had the most consistent arm here and his charisma and leadership are evident.
Max Unger had a rough week
Domonique Johnson looked real raw and in need of some serious coaching
James Davis is dropping big-time
For as much as Brian Cushing looks the part and flashes greatness from time to time, he sure spends an awful lot of the time doing absolutely nothing. I stood next to a Bucs scout and a LB coach and they were talking about how much of a tease he is. The scout was strictly focused on Cushing on Wed. and his report was not favorable. I still really love his potential though, but I would rate Clay Matthews higher
Herman Johnson sure as heck cannot play RT and he's probably too slow and plodding to play G either
Ron Brace--see my Tuesday notes
Andy Levitre--see Thursday notes

People told me I was nuts to have his backfield mate, Steve Slaton, in the Top 100 last year too...Patrick White is even MORE explosive a runner than Slaton, and with the Wildcat proliferating he's a borderline 2nd/3rd rounder now.

Yes, everyone is indeed welcome to their opinions.

Thanks yj,

I appreciate the reporting. I totally agree on Smith and Robiskie, but I thought Patrick Turner really helped himself (coming from where he was beforehand) even more than Robiskie. Did you get that same sense?

Any comments on Andre Brown?

Why is everyone so high on Mack. Every time I saw him in 1-on-1s he got owned. Unger looked much better, and Caldwell better still.

Not a big question but I'm curious how much pay do the participants get in the Senior Bowl..

I agree about Turner. On Wed. he made a play that showed he could really accelerate and separate, which are the big knocks on him. He didn't catch the ball (QB's fault) but he put forth the effort and flashed some speed. He looks a lot like Limas Sweed physically and in style of play.

I thought Andre Brown was very impressive, and I've thought that all year. When he was healthy he was often dominant, very physical and able to move the pile. But he's had some major knee problems and from what I gather he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, so I wonder about how far up he will go. Arian Foster was off to a great start too--probably the best overall RB there before he got hurt. He attacked the holes and burst through, and he was able to drive Maualuga backwards once on a blitz drill.

I thought Caldwell had a nice week, much better than Luigs. Caldwell really fires off the snap and engages in a position of strength, something Mack does very well too. Eric Wood let me down, very passive and lacking base strength in pass protect.

Manny Johnson showed me something in his brief time. He's bigger than I thought he was too--not height-wise but bulk. I always pegged him as a skinny guy but he's got some meat on his bones.

Unger had real problems with base and leverage after snapping the ball. He was much better at G, when he didn't have as much to think about and when he could move a little before contact.

How would you rank the top 5 centers, YJ?

Right now, I am saying (based on the game performance and week of practice):

Mack, Caldwell, Luigs, Unger, Wood...(with Shipley breathing down Wood's neck.)

Here are my very preliminary (and blatantly obvious) observations, PRE-SCOUTING REVIEW,
on last night's game.

Helped himself the most: Andre Brown
Also elevated their stock: Darius Butler, Rhett Bomar, Cody Brown, Mitch King, Herman Johnson, Robert Ayers, Corvey Irvin, Mike Thomas, Quinn Johnson, Tyrrone Green, David Veikune.

Hurt himself the most (at least 2-3 rounds): Graham Harrell
Also hurt their stock: William Moore, DeAngelo Smith, Andy Levitre, Sherrod Martin, Eric Wood.

Mack is #1 without a doubt. I like your ordination. I am not an AQ Shipley fan at all--great collegian, not an NFL body.

Glad you brought up Will Moore as a disappointment, because that was a prevailing theme in Mobile too. I can't see him going before the 4th round anymore, no matter how he tests in Indy. Deangelo Smith also didn't fare well, though I think most folks saw him as a nickel back/safety type a la Antrell Rolle, and he showed he can do most of the skills needed for that reasonably well. He is not an outside corner and he's not a strong safety. Probably killed his momentum that had some folks (ahem, me too) slotting him in the 30-40 range, but if he times well in Indy he's still probably going to stick in the top 60 picks.

I have to give Nate Brown some credit. He improved throughout the week and I thought he looked decent in the game. His accuracy on short passes is still pathetic and he clearly needs at least two years of big-time coaching, but he's got the arm, good legs, and he showed he's a battler. At his size though I can't see him ever being more than a #2 unless he really improves his accuracy and touch. IMO he's not as good as Cullen Finnerty, who he reminds me of, but I have a GVSU bias.

About Pat Turner from an SC fans point of view he is actually one of the better wideouts we have had. he just had the misfortune of playing behind stars in jarrett and smith. then he had booty as a qb who wasn't the qb we thought he would be. but he really shined behind sanchez thisyear and i think has major upside.

I loved Finnerty. He was a very good interview and a nice kid. What's he up to these days?

TS1,

Ecellent points. Turner looks like a real "hidden gem" that has now been discovered by the whole world. His value per draft slot is probably shot now, but good for him for getting himself noticed.

Out or curioustity.

What can make or break a players week of the senior bowl more? Individual drills and practice? OR The actual game?

I would assume the one on one time coaches get and drills might matter more.

Why do you think? It rymes with "Smell Diaper....Junior"

How did Larry English look? Did he move well enough in space to think he could play OLB in the 4-3 or is strictly a 3-4 guy?

He looks good enough to do just about whatever you want him to do except DT or secondary.

Awesome. Any guesses on what his agility, speed times will look like?