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thasavage1
I'm really glad to see mcnabb getting his team to the nfc championship. he was underrated this whole season and deserved some pro bowl/mvp talk. once again he was the most scrutinized QB in the league and pulled it together.also i get sick and tired of hering joe buck over react to a player celebration. yeah it might have been a bit much but when your excited stuff happens. mcnabb isn't known for over celebrating either. i like players showing emotion and i like entertainment. that whole stonefaced johnny unitas 1950 style ball is not coming back.
Johanns21
I cannot stand Joe Buck either. When he freaked out over Moss's fake mooning it was ridiculous. His reaction was like Moss actually pulled his pants down.

As for McNabb I fully agree that he is one of the most criticized players in the game. If he were to be traded to the Bears or go there in free agency ever, I would be very happy.
bwalker
QUOTE (Johanns21 @ Jan 12 2009, 9:02:18 AM) *
I cannot stand Joe Buck either. When he freaked out over Moss's fake mooning it was ridiculous. His reaction was like Moss actually pulled his pants down.

As for McNabb I fully agree that he is one of the most criticized players in the game. If he were to be traded to the Bears or go there in free agency ever, I would be very happy.


Does anyone like Joe Buck except for the suits at Fox??? I don't care much for him either as he comes across as too arrogant and pompous.

McNabb has really come on, his play was bad earlier in the year. However, he has had a lot of unwarranted criticism in Phi.
jwest
McNabb did not deserve Pro Bowl consideration, and definitely not MVP consideration. His play up until his benching was, for the most part, inconsistent and at times, terrible. Had Kolb come in and played half-way decent in the second half at Baltimore, there's no way McNabb would have started again on Thanksgiving.

Now I agree that McNabb has been very good since his benching, but a large part of the team's improvement over the final weeks of the season has more to do with a change in offensive philosophy (more balanced run/pass) than QB execution. McNabb came out and said he had a "great season" and is looking for a new contract from the Eagles. He didn't have a great season. He is still as erratic as ever with his short passes (I've never seen a QB bounce so many balls into the turf five yards short of his receiver or throw nearly every crossing pattern or pass in the flat behind the receiver.)

And honestly, McNabb has brought on most of the criticism himself. He makes stupid comments in the media and is always looking to portray himself as a victim. I'm fine if he sticks around Philly for another year or two, but I wouldn't mind at all if he got shipped off to Chicago or Minnesota in the off-season, regardless of what happens this season.
jwest
QUOTE (bwalker @ Jan 12 2009, 10:32:11 AM) *
McNabb has really come on, his play was bad earlier in the year. However, he has had a lot of unwarranted criticism in Phi.


Which criticism was unwarranted?
bwalker
QUOTE (jwest @ Jan 12 2009, 10:12:57 AM) *
Which criticism was unwarranted?


Well, he was booed and poorly received in Phi. the day he was drafted. He's caused some of his own mistakes for sure, (OT rule, overly sensitive) but he's won everything but a SB. I'm sure you've got a better pulse on everything in Phi. than I do, but that's the way it seems to me.
RedRaider80
QUOTE (bwalker @ Jan 12 2009, 8:17:00 PM) *
Well, he was booed and poorly received in Phi. the day he was drafted. He's caused some of his own mistakes for sure, (OT rule, overly sensitive) but he's won everything but a SB. I'm sure you've got a better pulse on everything in Phi. than I do, but that's the way it seems to me.

I agree with Brett. Seems like every loss he gets criticized. As opposed to every other QB not getting criticized. I love him and think he's a HOFer. Not 1st ballot unless he finishes his career with a blast, but he's gonna get in eventually IMO.
jwest
QUOTE (bwalker @ Jan 12 2009, 9:17:00 PM) *
Well, he was booed and poorly received in Phi. the day he was drafted. He's caused some of his own mistakes for sure, (OT rule, overly sensitive) but he's won everything but a SB. I'm sure you've got a better pulse on everything in Phi. than I do, but that's the way it seems to me.


The Gov. of PA (Ed Rendell, who was Philly mayor at the time) is a huge Eagles fan. He still is an analyst for the Eagles post-game shows despite being the governor. At the time, he really wanted the Eagles to draft Texas RB Ricky Williams instead of a QB. When it looked like the Eagles were leaning towards a QB instead of the franchise RB, a local radio personality who he talked with arranged to take a busload of miscreants (better known as the Dirty Thirty) to the draft to boo the selection. Yes, it was not a highlight, but the fact that he STILL is hung up on that little contretemps is mind-boggling. By and large, Philly fans have embraced McNabb despite all of his sensitivity and foibles.

You mentioned the Super Bowl... do you remember his 4th quarter performance in that game against the Pats? The Eagles had an excellent chance to win that game and then McNabb choked in the 4th quarter. He got tired, overwhelmed, whatever... but he was puking on the field and barely had the energy to make plays. He was calling huddles so he could rest when the team needed to be in a hurry-up. The criticism he received in that game was well warranted.
jwest
QUOTE (RedRaider80 @ Jan 12 2009, 10:32:07 PM) *
I agree with Brett. Seems like every loss he gets criticized. As opposed to every other QB not getting criticized. I love him and think he's a HOFer. Not 1st ballot unless he finishes his career with a blast, but he's gonna get in eventually IMO.


Other QBs don't get criticized for losses??? Did you miss everything said/written about Tony Romo in every big game he's played in during his short career? Have you heard any criticism of Brett Favre for the collapse at the end of the Jets season? Has there been any criticism of Eli Manning for his poor play this past weekend?

Every QB takes an unfair burden of the blame for his teams failures (just as they often get too much credit for their successes). In fact, despite the poor play of McNabb early in the Eagles season, most of the criticism has not been placed at his feet. Here in Philadelphia, the criticism has been of the head coach and his poor play-calling (ignoring the run) and the fact that the Eagles lost a couple games because they couldn't convert 3rd and ones and 4th and ones. These were criticisms of the offensive line and the lack of a real lead-blocking FB on the team. The criticism that McNabb has received this year came mostly from his comments about overtime (and these were on a national level, not just Philadelphia) and his proclamation that he had a "great" season (despite being benched for the first time in his career) and deserves a contract extension with a big fat signing bonus.
RedRaider80
QUOTE (jwest @ Jan 13 2009, 9:54:58 AM) *
Other QBs don't get criticized for losses??? Did you miss everything said/written about Tony Romo in every big game he's played in during his short career? Have you heard any criticism of Brett Favre for the collapse at the end of the Jets season? Has there been any criticism of Eli Manning for his poor play this past weekend?


Ok your right they do. But its not as much I guess. Your right now that I'm thinking about. But Delhomme blew that game last weekend, your hear anything bout him? And with Pennington few weeks back, not much there either.. But I guess with the guys you mentioned (Favre, Eli, Romo) They are all higher caliber players and are expected to perform at a high level, but when thye fail its all their fault, and when they win they dont get to much credit it seems.
thasavage1
QUOTE (jwest @ Jan 13 2009, 9:54:58 AM) *
Other QBs don't get criticized for losses??? Did you miss everything said/written about Tony Romo in every big game he's played in during his short career? Have you heard any criticism of Brett Favre for the collapse at the end of the Jets season? Has there been any criticism of Eli Manning for his poor play this past weekend?

Every QB takes an unfair burden of the blame for his teams failures (just as they often get too much credit for their successes). In fact, despite the poor play of McNabb early in the Eagles season, most of the criticism has not been placed at his feet. Here in Philadelphia, the criticism has been of the head coach and his poor play-calling (ignoring the run) and the fact that the Eagles lost a couple games because they couldn't convert 3rd and ones and 4th and ones. These were criticisms of the offensive line and the lack of a real lead-blocking FB on the team. The criticism that McNabb has received this year came mostly from his comments about overtime (and these were on a national level, not just Philadelphia) and his proclamation that he had a "great" season (despite being benched for the first time in his career) and deserves a contract extension with a big fat signing bonus.


Dude every sportscaster in america said that philly would win or lose based on mcnabb then after the game all they could talk about was the defense and andy reids playcalling and the penalty on the front page of yahoo it didn't even say who won only that mcnabb had a penalty.
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