Wasn't he summarily ineffective and embarrasing Senior Bowl week? 382 lbs worth of ineffective and embarrassing?


Thoughts?

I actually just suggested moving him down quite a bit in the top 100. Someone is still going to take a chance on him. He's a good kid and he's coachable, so an NFL team will be able to get him to drop 40 pounds and coach him up and he could still be a heckuva presence at RT for a team that wants to run the ball every down.

provided the man he's supposed to block isn't smart enough to move to the side...


I kid, I kid.


He's 382 lbs as a what... 21-year-old?


His metabolism is only just starting to slow down. If his weight is THAT out of control now, what's he going to be up to in three years?

Johnson may have been overweight, and slightly embarrassing, but he does have potential, and just like a lot of big players, if he were to drop some weight, he could really dominate. He's like the Shaun Rogers on offense, haha! If he were to get down to 360-365 lbs. he could be really good. Its all about potential...

Why would a team put him at RT? Wouldn't he be better off doing what Leonard Davis did and move inside to OG?

Leonard Davis didn't have the length that Johnson has.

Johnson still has upside, but he will need to have a personal chef who works with the team's dietician and he will have to work out hard all year round.

A personal liposuctionist probably as well.


Top 50 for a guy who weighs 382 lbs.


Seriously, do the prospects in this draft just suck that much?

Wow did Herman Johnson run over your dog or something? I mean there are some prospects I don't think highly of, but it seems like you've really got it in for him. He's a 6'8" 382 pound mountain of a man with freakishly long arms. Did you see what happened once he locked on to people in the Senior Bowl? It was like they ran into a brick wall. He performed WAY better in the game than he did in one-on-ones, which is not one of his better drills to say the least and generally favors the defensive players anyway. He needs to lose some weight for sure, and I wouldn't put him in the top 50 but he's right around 75 on my board. If he loses weight and adds some quickness/foot speed, he could start for somebody. High risk/high reward type of guy, and the possible rewards definitely outweigh the potential risks once you get into that late 3rd/early 4th round range.

Okay, first I'm baffled as to way you're calling me out when you obviously agree with me. Late 3rd/early 4th means that you have him somewhere between #90 and #100, and that is my point.


I agree with you that he is high-risk, high-reward, but as you point out... those guys belong in the middle rounds. Ranking him in the top 50 is wrong.

I'm just saying your dislike for him seems a little extreme. I'd rank him in the top 100

You rank him in there, barely.



I forgot that you can't make jokes on this site. Sorry.

Nah man, jokes are cool. They make me laugh

Langston Walker- 366 pounds
Haloti Ngata- 355 pounds
Shaun Rogers- 350 pounds
Kris Jenkins- 350 pounds
Jason Peters- 340 pounds
Ma'ake Kemoeatu- 350 pounds
Leonard Davis- 355 pounds
Stacy Andrews- 342 pounds
Bobbie Williams- 345 pounds
Marcus McNeill- 340 pounds
Jared Gaither- 350 pounds
Willie Anderson- 340 pounds
Flozell Adams- 340 pounds
Vernon Carey- 350 pounds
Max Jean-Giles- 360 pounds
Jamal Williams- 350 pounds

These guys are all very good players. Just because you're a little bit on the heavy side doesn't mean you can't play. According to your logic, 355-pound Haloti Ngata, or 350-pound Kris Jenkins automatically suck...

Herman may be a whopping 380, but he can lose weight. It's very common for a player to be asked to lose weight after being drafted. Aaron Kampman dropped 15-20 pounds after being drafted by my Packers.

If Johnson drops 20 or so pounds, which should be fairly easy for a man of his ample frame, he has the potential to be a great guard in the NFL. He's already dropped some weight, as he arrived at LSU at over 400 pounds. And you're not supposed to just look at a player's weight and height, but at their actual athletic skills. Despite his size, Herman Johnson has very good lateral quickness and initial burst off the ball. The only area where it is apparent that his weight really limits him is his ability to succesfully get downfield and block at the second level.

And there is another guard who weighs just as much as Herman Johnson does who could have very easily been invited to the NFL combine. 380-pound Louis West, out of Henderson State.

Where did I ever write that big men can't play? This entire thread is about Herman Johnson's weight in reference to how bad he looked at the Senior Bowl.


If you read the posts before deciding to disagree with them, you may be able to form a better argument.

And for the record the number that was being thrown around for Herman to be effective was closer to 40 pounds than 20.

When we get down to it... Herman Johnson looked pretty shaky in the one-on-one drills, which are especially unfair to interior offensive linemen. I thought he showed pretty well in the game itself.

Since you seem to think you know so much about football... Please explain to me in detail the differences between a ZBS and MBS.

I hate when people decide that a player can't play a certain scheme just because of his size. For example, people will say a guy is either too big or small to play 3-4 OLB. When all that really matters is how well he can turn his hips, play coverage, play against the run, rush the passer, and hit the gaps. Honestly, your argument is very flawed due to the fact that almost your entire argument is based on Herman's weight. Plus, Herman Johnson has not been atrocious in the Senior Bowl. He was just a tad bit disappointing.

HA HA HA!


DER! ZBS relies on doubleteams within a set area to create creases and holes, the line typically moves as a unit on running plays designed to get a back outside or create a backdoor, whereas MBS matches mano a mano and relies on pulling individual linemen to open holes from time to time.


Let's see, I know you don't think big Herm will be great in a ZBS.... Actually, I don't know that you know anything. If you felt like that little challenge you threw out was supposed to trip me up, you probably don't know much.

A tad bit disappointing? Well, that is actually the most positive review I've read of his performance during the week of practices.

Anyway, it's hard to imagine big Herm pulling anywhere, and since he was getting destroyed in pass protection in those one on one drills, it's hard to imagine him being drafted early for his pass blocking. Every D.C. in the league will set his blitz schemes to force Herman to move or to have a one on one machup.

It's hilarious that some of you defend a guy this out of shape, who wasn't dominant this year in college football by any means.

He's a mid-round pick. Deal with it.

Interior OLinemen rarely get left out on an island. How often are you going to see Herman left blocking some pass rushing DE by himself as a G? I was trying to argue this topic in a gentleman's manner, but I guess you have to persist on making this into a flame war, which I will not go into. I do not agree with your argument in the least bit, and Herman will be a 2nd rd pick come April. But you are entitled to your own opinion. And I'm no idiot, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't treat me like one.

Well, I'd appreciate it if you didn't call me out, and then slink away after trying to falsely claim some moral high-ground, but I guess that's not going to happen.

OK, I think we've exhausted this topic. Before any fist fights break out, I'm closing it.