I came up with a trade that we may end up seeing before, or on draft day. The trade would be a three-way trade involving Detroit, Cleveland, and Denver. Here it is:
Denver Receives:
Lions 20th overall pick
Lions 20th pick of the 6th round
Derek Anderson
Jeff Backus
Dominic Raiola
Cleveland Receives:
Lions 1st pick of the 3rd round
Broncos 12th overall pick
Detroit Receives:
Shaun Rogers
Jay Cutler
Elvis Dumervil
If you think this won't happen, which many of you don't think it will, I can explain why these guys are on the way out(but I hope nobody asks why Cutler is on the trading block).
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Cutler isn't going anywhere. He's being a little punk just like Chad Johnson was last year. Just because a player demands to be traded doesn't mean he's going to get traded. The Broncos would be very foolish to trade a QB as talented as Cutler that appears to be a long term answer at the position for for draft picks (or in this case a bunch of scrubs and a later draft pick than they have now....seriously what sense would this make for Denver?)
QUOTE (Lionsman11 @ Mar 18 2009, 1:26:44 AM) 
I came up with a trade that we may end up seeing before, or on draft day. The trade would be a three-way trade involving Detroit, Cleveland, and Denver. Here it is:
Denver Receives:
Lions 20th overall pick
Lions 20th pick of the 6th round
Derek Anderson
Jeff Backus
Dominic Raiola
Cleveland Receives:
Lions 1st pick of the 3rd round
Broncos 12th overall pick
Detroit Receives:
Shaun Rogers
Jay Cutler
Elvis Dumervil
If you think this won't happen, which many of you don't think it will, I can explain why these guys are on the way out(but I hope nobody asks why Cutler is on the trading block).
Denver Receives:
Lions 20th overall pick
Lions 20th pick of the 6th round
Derek Anderson
Jeff Backus
Dominic Raiola
Cleveland Receives:
Lions 1st pick of the 3rd round
Broncos 12th overall pick
Detroit Receives:
Shaun Rogers
Jay Cutler
Elvis Dumervil
If you think this won't happen, which many of you don't think it will, I can explain why these guys are on the way out(but I hope nobody asks why Cutler is on the trading block).
I think the Lions would be getting a steal with this trade but I don't think they'll give away Backus or Raiola. I would like this trade because we would def take Smith or Monroe and then Mack in the top of the 2nd. But again, it won't happen because the Lions' staff has said that they want to build around C Johnson, K Smith, J Backus, and D Raiola.
Of course a Lions fan would be giving Denver the shaft on this trade. It's horrible, what do they do with Jeff Backus? They have 2 young tackles better than him. BAH, Extremem Garbage. They move down from 12 to 20 for a 6 Backus (who would ride the bench), and old Dominic? And they Lose Dumervil and Cutler for Derek Anderson? No offense but do you realize how horrible that is? And Detroit gets Cutler, Dumervil, and Rodgers? PLEASE HAHAHAHA. I have seen some garbage trade proposals on FF, but this is by far the worst. It is already rumored Cutler is being shipped out for 2 firsts probably one this year and 1 next year and a Vet QB. But then again it's just a rumor.
QUOTE (B_rent87 @ Mar 19 2009, 12:25:30 PM)
Of course a Lions fan would be giving Denver the shaft on this trade. It's horrible, what do they do with Jeff Backus? They have 2 young tackles better than him. BAH, Extremem Garbage. They move down from 12 to 20 for a 6 Backus (who would ride the bench), and old Dominic? And they Lose Dumervil and Cutler for Derek Anderson? No offense but do you realize how horrible that is? And Detroit gets Cutler, Dumervil, and Rodgers? PLEASE HAHAHAHA. I have seen some garbage trade proposals on FF, but this is by far the worst. It is already rumored Cutler is being shipped out for 2 firsts probably one this year and 1 next year and a Vet QB. But then again it's just a rumor.
Agreed. That trade is pretty lopsided and rediculous. Cutler isn't going anywhere if you ask me.
The source was a friend who said he heard it. So take it for what its worth. But I hear Det's 20th, 33rd and drew stanton for cutler.
QUOTE (yerckson3420 @ Mar 19 2009, 1:47:06 PM)
The source was a friend who said he heard it. So take it for what its worth. But I hear Det's 20th, 33rd and drew stanton for cutler.
That would still be awful trade. I'll take it as pure rumor.
Man... I sense some negativity in this topic, lol. I do think the Lions pursue Cutler but I don't know if Denver will want to wait for Detroit... I think they'll try to trade for him after Stafford's private workout with the Lions on the 31st but I bet Cutler will be dealt before then.
QUOTE (RichEisenIsGod @ Mar 19 2009, 8:38:15 PM)
That would still be awful trade. I'll take it as pure rumor.
Thats what all these trade proposals are. No one knows.
QUOTE (B_rent87 @ Mar 22 2009, 6:46:00 AM)
Thats what all these trade proposals are. No one knows.
True, but I'd be surprised if they get two No.1 picks for him...except if the sucker is the Redskins.
QUOTE (RichEisenIsGod @ Mar 17 2009, 11:19:04 PM)
Cutler isn't going anywhere. He's being a little punk just like Chad Johnson was last year. Just because a player demands to be traded doesn't mean he's going to get traded. The Broncos would be very foolish to trade a QB as talented as Cutler that appears to be a long term answer at the position for for draft picks (or in this case a bunch of scrubs and a later draft pick than they have now....seriously what sense would this make for Denver?)
however, a QB has a much greater influence over a game than a WR does (especially when they have a very competent #2 on the other side). i'm not saying that cutler is going to throw games, but i am saying that the two situations can't really be compared to each other. a disgruntled WR you can deal with (see: chad johnson and anquan boldin). a disgruntled QB is a completely different entity, especially with a guy like cutler (good, young QB).
so, yes, the broncos might be foolish to deal cutler. they also might be foolish to keep cutler as well.
QUOTE (RichEisenIsGod @ Mar 19 2009, 4:38:15 PM)
That would still be awful trade. I'll take it as pure rumor.
it wouldn't necessarily be awful. it would depend largely on what denver did with those two picks. it could be an "addition by subtraction" type of thing where, while you don't want to get rid of a guy like cutler (i do get that.....i do), if there's no mending of the fences, so to speak, you can make your team better by getting rid of a malcontent who obviously has no desire to play for you.
QUOTE (daddy woz @ Mar 23 2009, 11:39:41 AM)
however, a QB has a much greater influence over a game than a WR does (especially when they have a very competent #2 on the other side). i'm not saying that cutler is going to throw games, but i am saying that the two situations can't really be compared to each other. a disgruntled WR you can deal with (see: chad johnson and anquan boldin). a disgruntled QB is a completely different entity, especially with a guy like cutler (good, young QB).
so, yes, the broncos might be foolish to deal cutler. they also might be foolish to keep cutler as well.
so, yes, the broncos might be foolish to deal cutler. they also might be foolish to keep cutler as well.
Despite a difference of influence to the game it's self due to position, the situations are still very similar and comparable to locker room moral and media distraction.
Scott Hastings said it very bluntly but in an effective and simplified manner, "Cutler needs to stop being a little b*tch."
QUOTE (RichEisenIsGod @ Mar 23 2009, 12:52:19 PM)
Despite a difference of influence to the game it's self due to position, the situations are still very similar and comparable to locker room moral and media distraction.
Scott Hastings said it very bluntly but in an effective and simplified manner, "Cutler needs to stop being a little b*tch."
Scott Hastings said it very bluntly but in an effective and simplified manner, "Cutler needs to stop being a little b*tch."
i'm not saying that i'm agreeing with how cutler is going about this whole thing. however, i will still maintain that the situations are different enough to not be that comparable. you want to talk about impacting locker room morale? i would think an unhappy QB would do much more damage from that standpoint. this has the makings of something far worse than just another upset player. is he right in how he's handling this? of course not. i'm not saying he is. but, again, to say the situations are comparable is laughable at best. the only way they're in the same scope is that it's a high profile player that's unhappy. i'll still always maintain that, while you don't have to get on your knees to make a QB happy, it's much more important to try to keep them happy than anyone else on the team. unless, of course, your QB is bad.
if cutler isn't traded (which he probably won't be), i don't think it'll be fun times in denver.
QUOTE (daddy woz @ Mar 23 2009, 1:52:32 PM)
i'm not saying that i'm agreeing with how cutler is going about this whole thing. however, i will still maintain that the situations are different enough to not be that comparable. you want to talk about impacting locker room morale? i would think an unhappy QB would do much more damage from that standpoint. this has the makings of something far worse than just another upset player. is he right in how he's handling this? of course not. i'm not saying he is. but, again, to say the situations are comparable is laughable at best. the only way they're in the same scope is that it's a high profile player that's unhappy. i'll still always maintain that, while you don't have to get on your knees to make a QB happy, it's much more important to try to keep them happy than anyone else on the team. unless, of course, your QB is bad.
if cutler isn't traded (which he probably won't be), i don't think it'll be fun times in denver.
if cutler isn't traded (which he probably won't be), i don't think it'll be fun times in denver.
Whatever you say man. A locker room distraction is a locker room distraction. Plain and simple. T.O. was a wide receiver and managed to keep the one of the most talented teams in the league out of the playoffs with his antics. The two situations and definitely comparable.
QUOTE (daddy woz @ Mar 23 2009, 11:43:31 AM)
it wouldn't necessarily be awful. it would depend largely on what denver did with those two picks. it could be an "addition by subtraction" type of thing where, while you don't want to get rid of a guy like cutler (i do get that.....i do), if there's no mending of the fences, so to speak, you can make your team better by getting rid of a malcontent who obviously has no desire to play for you.
No. It would be awful. They would get a third string QB, pick 20 and a second round pick. Sure they could get a player or 2 to fill out their front 7 which is needed but they would have no QB. They'd have to waste their 12 pick on a QB so essentially they'd only be gaining one pick total and Drew Stanton (who is garbage). Not to mention the QB they took at 12 would be completely unproven and even if everything went right the first 3 years of his career they could only hope that he would be as good as Cutler is. It would be a horrible move.
if you think that T.O. and his antics is what kept dallas out of the playoffs, then i have to disagree. if they were really one of the most talented teams in the league, T.O.'s antics, which were well documented, wouldn't have kept them out of the playoffs.
with chad johnson (the example you gave), everyone knew how he was with both his on field and off the field antics. this is a guy who's so into himself that he changed his name to "ocho cinco." at some point in time, you just ignore what he does. his antics, his unhappiness, is NOT why cinci was terrible this season.
a good quarterback is supposed to be the leader of the team. they're supposed to command respect. they're supposed to set the example. if there's a locker room distraction because of a quarterback, it is MUCH worse, and has more of an impact, than the "distractions" caused by zany wideouts with a history of such things.
again, cutler isn't right in how he's handling it. don't misunderstand that. i'm not in cutler's corner in this (though, if he does get shipped, and goes to tampa, i'll thank him for it). but, i would take an unhappy receiver, running back, anybody, than an unhappy franchise QB.
with chad johnson (the example you gave), everyone knew how he was with both his on field and off the field antics. this is a guy who's so into himself that he changed his name to "ocho cinco." at some point in time, you just ignore what he does. his antics, his unhappiness, is NOT why cinci was terrible this season.
a good quarterback is supposed to be the leader of the team. they're supposed to command respect. they're supposed to set the example. if there's a locker room distraction because of a quarterback, it is MUCH worse, and has more of an impact, than the "distractions" caused by zany wideouts with a history of such things.
again, cutler isn't right in how he's handling it. don't misunderstand that. i'm not in cutler's corner in this (though, if he does get shipped, and goes to tampa, i'll thank him for it). but, i would take an unhappy receiver, running back, anybody, than an unhappy franchise QB.
QUOTE (RichEisenIsGod @ Mar 23 2009, 2:12:35 PM)
No. It would be awful. They would get a third string QB, pick 20 and a second round pick. Sure they could get a player or 2 to fill out their front 7 which is needed but they would have no QB. They'd have to waste their 12 pick on a QB so essentially they'd only be gaining one pick total and Drew Stanton (who is garbage). Not to mention the QB they took at 12 would be completely unproven and even if everything went right the first 3 years of his career they could only hope that he would be as good as Cutler is. It would be a horrible move.
they wouldn't HAVE to take a QB at 12. and just because stanton was 3rd string in detroit (partially due to injuries, if i'm remembering right), doesn't mean he would be a 3 on another team. is he as good as cutler is? of course not. is he a competent QB? nobody really knows.
and, it wouldn't be awful. first, what makes the 33rd pick any different than the 28th, other than "well, one's a first rounder, one's a second rounder?" next, you wouldn't be able to judge the trade until a couple years down the road, anyway, so by saying it would be awful, you're also saying that you already know the players that would be taken there wouldn't pan out to be good players.
as a team, the broncos would have 3 of the top 33 picks in the draft. that's essentially 3 first rounders that they would have. what team wouldn't want 3 first rounders for a QB who obviously doesn't want to play there?
the thing is, nobody knows who those players would be. nobody knows, in this hypothetical, how those players would pan out. best case scenario (though unlikely)? they get 3 pro-bowlers with those picks (actually, that would be 3 all-pros, but we'll set the bar a touch lower).
it's all a hypothetical anyway, but to completely dismiss it would be extremely short-sighted and narrow minded.
QUOTE (daddy woz @ Mar 23 2009, 2:23:45 PM)
they wouldn't HAVE to take a QB at 12. and just because stanton was 3rd string in detroit (partially due to injuries, if i'm remembering right), doesn't mean he would be a 3 on another team. is he as good as cutler is? of course not. is he a competent QB? nobody really knows.
and, it wouldn't be awful. first, what makes the 33rd pick any different than the 28th, other than "well, one's a first rounder, one's a second rounder?" next, you wouldn't be able to judge the trade until a couple years down the road, anyway, so by saying it would be awful, you're also saying that you already know the players that would be taken there wouldn't pan out to be good players.
as a team, the broncos would have 3 of the top 33 picks in the draft. that's essentially 3 first rounders that they would have. what team wouldn't want 3 first rounders for a QB who obviously doesn't want to play there?
the thing is, nobody knows who those players would be. nobody knows, in this hypothetical, how those players would pan out. best case scenario (though unlikely)? they get 3 pro-bowlers with those picks (actually, that would be 3 all-pros, but we'll set the bar a touch lower).
it's all a hypothetical anyway, but to completely dismiss it would be extremely short-sighted and narrow minded.
and, it wouldn't be awful. first, what makes the 33rd pick any different than the 28th, other than "well, one's a first rounder, one's a second rounder?" next, you wouldn't be able to judge the trade until a couple years down the road, anyway, so by saying it would be awful, you're also saying that you already know the players that would be taken there wouldn't pan out to be good players.
as a team, the broncos would have 3 of the top 33 picks in the draft. that's essentially 3 first rounders that they would have. what team wouldn't want 3 first rounders for a QB who obviously doesn't want to play there?
the thing is, nobody knows who those players would be. nobody knows, in this hypothetical, how those players would pan out. best case scenario (though unlikely)? they get 3 pro-bowlers with those picks (actually, that would be 3 all-pros, but we'll set the bar a touch lower).
it's all a hypothetical anyway, but to completely dismiss it would be extremely short-sighted and narrow minded.
No it would definitely be horrible. Trading away Cutler for a clip board holder, a late first/early 2nd (whatever you want to call it) draft pick, and an unproven rookie that would set the franchise back years would make 0 sense and McDaniels would be run out of town after it proved to be as awful a deal in real life as it looks on paper.
Your right, no one knows how the players would turn out...BUT THEY KNOW HOW CUTLER TURNED OUT...A PRO-BOWLER, so risking that on a rookie (who best case scenario can be as good as Cutler in 3 years) would make no sense.
I'm not completely dismissing the fact that he could get traded. I'm saying that A. The Broncos would be stupid to trade him. and B. They would be REALLY stupid to make that Detroit deal.
QUOTE (RichEisenIsGod @ Mar 23 2009, 1:05:29 PM)
Whatever you say man. A locker room distraction is a locker room distraction. Plain and simple. T.O. was a wide receiver and managed to keep the one of the most talented teams in the league out of the playoffs with his antics. The two situations and definitely comparable.
T.O. might have helped keep the cowboys out of the playoffs because he had a ridiculous amount of drops. But he was not the sole reason the cowboys didn't make the playoffs.
They are NOT comparable situations. Yes Cutler is being thin skinned and hasn't let this go. But to compare T.O. and Cutler is just stupid. Ever teammate Owens has had has been very glad to see him leave. from Garcia and SF players to the teammate in phili he body slammed in the locker room and other phili players, not to mention all of his cowboy teammates who will be very glad to go on without him now. So please don't compare TO to Cutler, you have got to be smarter than that and more objective. (at least I hope)
Cutler is not a complete bipolar psycho in the locker room like Owens and most of his teammates were p!ssed to find out they tried to trade him.
I don't see your comparison at all! It seems rash to me.
If you look at it black and white. mcDanniels didn't handle it the best way but the NFL is ultimately a buisness . Cutler hasn't handled it the best way nor has he dropped it, but he needs to get over it and be a PROFESSIONAL athlete. BUT there are many teams that would be happy to have Cutler and many people, fans, sports experts who think it would be dumb to trade him.
Me personally I would be happy if the bears traded for him as long as they didn't overpay.
I am no longer an NFL fan if a trade like this happens...
Clarify please. I assume you just mean Denver trading Cutler in general.
QUOTE (Broncosfan713 @ Mar 24 2009, 4:49:11 PM)
I am no longer an NFL fan if a trade like this happens...
Ditto.
QUOTE (yerckson3420 @ Mar 24 2009, 12:42:13 AM)
T.O. might have helped keep the cowboys out of the playoffs because he had a ridiculous amount of drops. But he was not the sole reason the cowboys didn't make the playoffs.
They are NOT comparable situations. Yes Cutler is being thin skinned and hasn't let this go. But to compare T.O. and Cutler is just stupid. Ever teammate Owens has had has been very glad to see him leave. from Garcia and SF players to the teammate in phili he body slammed in the locker room and other phili players, not to mention all of his cowboy teammates who will be very glad to go on without him now. So please don't compare TO to Cutler, you have got to be smarter than that and more objective. (at least I hope)
Cutler is not a complete bipolar psycho in the locker room like Owens and most of his teammates were p!ssed to find out they tried to trade him.
I don't see your comparison at all! It seems rash to me.
If you look at it black and white. mcDanniels didn't handle it the best way but the NFL is ultimately a buisness . Cutler hasn't handled it the best way nor has he dropped it, but he needs to get over it and be a PROFESSIONAL athlete. BUT there are many teams that would be happy to have Cutler and many people, fans, sports experts who think it would be dumb to trade him.
Me personally I would be happy if the bears traded for him as long as they didn't overpay.
They are NOT comparable situations. Yes Cutler is being thin skinned and hasn't let this go. But to compare T.O. and Cutler is just stupid. Ever teammate Owens has had has been very glad to see him leave. from Garcia and SF players to the teammate in phili he body slammed in the locker room and other phili players, not to mention all of his cowboy teammates who will be very glad to go on without him now. So please don't compare TO to Cutler, you have got to be smarter than that and more objective. (at least I hope)
Cutler is not a complete bipolar psycho in the locker room like Owens and most of his teammates were p!ssed to find out they tried to trade him.
I don't see your comparison at all! It seems rash to me.
If you look at it black and white. mcDanniels didn't handle it the best way but the NFL is ultimately a buisness . Cutler hasn't handled it the best way nor has he dropped it, but he needs to get over it and be a PROFESSIONAL athlete. BUT there are many teams that would be happy to have Cutler and many people, fans, sports experts who think it would be dumb to trade him.
Me personally I would be happy if the bears traded for him as long as they didn't overpay.
A problem in the locker room will spread no matter what position the player plays.
QUOTE (RichEisenIsGod @ Mar 24 2009, 5:55:43 PM)
A problem in the locker room will spread no matter what position the player plays.
It is pointless to debate things with you!!!! You don't even pay attention to what you read.
I NEVER said anything about the positions!!
I said it is stupid to compare T.O. and Cutler as far as personallity and distractions.
No sh!t a cancer is a cancer regaurdless of the position, I never said it wasn't.
QUOTE (yerckson3420 @ Mar 24 2009, 8:47:04 PM)
It is pointless to debate things with you!!!! You don't even pay attention to what you read.
I NEVER said anything about the positions!!
I said it is stupid to compare T.O. and Cutler as far as personallity and distractions.
No sh!t a cancer is a cancer regaurdless of the position, I never said it wasn't.
I NEVER said anything about the positions!!
I said it is stupid to compare T.O. and Cutler as far as personallity and distractions.
No sh!t a cancer is a cancer regaurdless of the position, I never said it wasn't.
Yeah I don't usually reads rants.
yeah you just delete other peoples opinions on your mock draft like a child. Oh yeah.... you still aren't answering the cutler and T.O. comparison. Shocking
I am normally open to every opinion on here because none of us are experts and we really don't have a clue what will happen on draft day. NFL gms even know that half the players drafted will be busts too.
But I will be honest, the fact that you argue points people never make and the fact that you delete peoples rational opinions on your mocks because they don't agree with you makes me really annoyed and not sure that I can take you too serious.
So call my posts "rants" all you want.
I am normally open to every opinion on here because none of us are experts and we really don't have a clue what will happen on draft day. NFL gms even know that half the players drafted will be busts too.
But I will be honest, the fact that you argue points people never make and the fact that you delete peoples rational opinions on your mocks because they don't agree with you makes me really annoyed and not sure that I can take you too serious.
So call my posts "rants" all you want.
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