yerckson3420
Sep 18 2009, 8:56:54 PM
I couldn't really find any good sources on holouts in the history of the league.
Maybe someone could list some big rookie holdouts other than Bo Jacksons
I wondered it Crabbtree wa creeping up on a record or not.
bwalker
Sep 18 2009, 10:24:39 PM
QUOTE (yerckson3420 @ Sep 18 2009, 9:56:54 PM)

I couldn't really find any good sources on holouts in the history of the league.
Maybe someone could list some big rookie holdouts other than Bo Jacksons
I wondered it Crabbtree wa creeping up on a record or not.
Kelly Stouffer QB held out in the early 80's. He sat out the year and got traded to the Seahawks before the previous draft. I think they traded him for a 2nd. Had his moments as a QB good and bad. He was nothing to write home about as far as his career.
nyyjones
Sep 19 2009, 1:37:34 AM
I believe, even though I doubt it amounted to the longest holdout of all time, that the most important holdout was John Elway's, when he refused to report or even negotiate with the Baltimore Colts when they originally drafted him, resulting in them trading him to the Denver Broncos for Mark Herrmann, Chris Hinton, and a No.1 pick. Elway though, had the leverage of having signed with the NY Yankees, who gave him a record bonus at the time, thus making it possible to hold that as a hammer over the Colts and forcing them to trade his rights to a team he felt was beneficial to his style of play. Of course, Denver would then hire Dan Reeves to become their HC, and he and Elway did have many head butting years together, until Denver ultimately hired Shanahan, who rode Elway's coattails to 2 SB titles. In any event, that's the most leverage any one player has pulled on a team. This differs from Crabtree's holdout, which could really end up costing him, as he is projected at best to be only the 3rd or 4th WR taken in next year's draft, depending on who you listen to, which means he could fall out of the top 20.
jwest
Sep 21 2009, 12:51:56 PM
I remember the Eagles drafting QB Craig Erickson with the 20th pick in the 5th round in the 1991 draft. He refused to sign and the Eagles held his rights until he re-entered the draft in 1992, where he was drafted even higher (2nd pick in the 4th round) by the Tampa Bay Bucs.
So there is some precedent for Crabtree, although I don't agree with Kiper that he could go even higher. Teams aren't that desperate for a diva, no matter how talented they might be. Plus the WR crop for the next draft should be significantly better than the most recent one.
bcdrama
Sep 21 2009, 2:11:53 PM
Let's examine the scenario- If lets say the Browns, Chiefs Lions and Rams all go 3-13 with a coin flip or what have you deciding and Cleveland takes Suh, the Lions take Berry, the Chiefs take Best, do the Rams like Crabtree that much and would the take him over Bryant, Benn, or LaFell if Crabtree reentered the draft and was actually the 4th WR taken in 2011 would his head literally explode?
QUOTE (jwest @ Sep 21 2009, 5:51:56 PM)

I remember the Eagles drafting QB Craig Erickson with the 20th pick in the 5th round in the 1991 draft. He refused to sign and the Eagles held his rights until he re-entered the draft in 1992, where he was drafted even higher (2nd pick in the 4th round) by the Tampa Bay Bucs.
So there is some precedent for Crabtree, although I don't agree with Kiper that he could go even higher. Teams aren't that desperate for a diva, no matter how talented they might be. Plus the WR crop for the next draft should be significantly better than the most recent one.
jwest
Sep 24 2009, 6:49:05 AM
I'd have to think that the Rams, with young receivers like Donnie Avery, Laurent Robinson, Keenan Burton, Brooks Foster, and Danny Amendola, would probably be looking a bit more closely at guys like McCoy, Bradford, Snead, and Tebow than Crabtree or any other wideouts. Plus I'd think they'd have to consider defensive line (especially DT, with Carriker proving to be ineffective thus far) before wideout as well.
Johanns21
Sep 24 2009, 8:13:49 AM
QUOTE (jwest @ Sep 24 2009, 6:49:05 AM)

I'd have to think that the Rams, with young receivers like Donnie Avery, Laurent Robinson, Keenan Burton, Brooks Foster, and Danny Amendola, would probably be looking a bit more closely at guys like McCoy, Bradford, Snead, and Tebow than Crabtree or any other wideouts. Plus I'd think they'd have to consider defensive line (especially DT, with Carriker proving to be ineffective thus far) before wideout as well.
I know this thread is about Rookie Holdouts, but you mention about Carricker not panning out. Do you think its because he is playing out of position. At Nebraska he played strongside defensive end and many thought that he would be a good fit as a 3-4 defensive end. I know that in the 3-4 and as a defensive end that lines up on the tightend side is expected to take on blockers and thats similar to a 3 technique defensive tackle but I wonder if he moves to a different team or scheme would help jump start him. But maybe I just answered my own question???
jwest
Sep 25 2009, 2:03:41 PM
Honestly, I haven't seen much of the Rams, so I don't know what his problem is. I just know that I've heard he's struggled, along with the rest of the team.
yerckson3420
Sep 26 2009, 1:50:19 PM
QUOTE (bcdrama @ Sep 21 2009, 2:11:53 PM)

Let's examine the scenario- If lets say the Browns, Chiefs Lions and Rams all go 3-13 with a coin flip or what have you deciding and Cleveland takes Suh, the Lions take Berry, the Chiefs take Best, do the Rams like Crabtree that much and would the take him over Bryant, Benn, or LaFell if Crabtree reentered the draft and was actually the 4th WR taken in 2011 would his head literally explode?
If he actually held out all year and entered next years draft, i think it would be a complete shock if he went before 20th if at all in the first round.
Johanns21
Sep 26 2009, 2:19:41 PM
Yerkson I agree with you competely. Personally I think Bryant, LaFell, and Benn are just as good or better prospects than Crabtree was last year. Plus if I was an NFL GM and Crabtree sits out an entire year because of money I wouldn't touch him any where in the first round.
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