I saw that he updated his big board and just wanted to see what others thoughts

1. Ndamukong Suh DT 6-4 300
Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 2

2. Eric Berry DB 5-11 203
Analysis: Ultimate playmaker, in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 3

3. Gerald McCoy DT 6-4 297
Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 4

4. Taylor Mays S 6-3 235
Analysis: Linebacker size and cornerback speed. Last week: No. 5

5. Sam Bradford QB 6-4 223
Analysis: Has underrated arm, great feel for position; super-accurate. Last week: No. 1

6. Russell Okung OT 6-5 300
Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blind-side pass-protector. Last week: No. 10

7. Jake Locker QB 6-3 226
Analysis: Developing talent whose physical tools are unmatched. Last week: No. 6

8. Carlos Dunlap DE 6-6 290
Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Unlimited upside potential. Last week: No. 7

9. Dez Bryant WR 6-2 220
Analysis: Dynamic receiver, punt returner and TD maker. Last week: No. 9

10. Jason Pierre-Paul DE 6-5 262
Analysis: Explosive natural pass-rusher out of juco ranks. Last week: No. 12

11. Everson Griffen DE 6-3 280
Analysis: Supremely talented, now gaining the necessary consistency. Last week: NR

12. Jimmy Clausen QB 6-3 223
Analysis: Polished QB, at his best when game is on the line. Last week: No. 11

13. Sean Weatherspoon LB 6-2 245
Analysis: Makes plays all over the field. Last week: No. 14

14. C.J. Spiller RB 5-11 195
Analysis: Multitalented, super-fast, electrifying game-breaker. Last week: No. 16

15. Jahvid Best RB 5-10 195
Analysis: Versatile, game-breaker supreme. Last week: No. 15

16. Terrence Cody DT 6-5 365
Analysis: Tremendous clogger along the interior. Last week: No. 13

17. Jermaine Gresham TE 6-6 258
Analysis: The best pass-catching tight end in college football. Last week: No. 17

18. Colt McCoy QB 6-2 210
Analysis: Intelligent and resourceful. Can beat you with arm or legs. Last week: No. 8

19. Greg Hardy DE 6-5 275
Analysis: Difference-maker harassing the QB when at full strength. Last week: No. 18

20. Brandon Spikes LB 6-3 243
Analysis: Complete MLB, solid in all areas. Last week: No. 19

21. Jerry Hughes DE 6-3 257
Analysis: Prolific pass-rusher who could be a 3-4 OLB. Last week: No. 22

22. Brandon Graham DE 6-2 270
Analysis: Awesome athlete and force off the edge. Last week: No. 23

23. Sergio Kindle LB 6-4 255
Analysis: Production finally matched his talent last season. Last week: No. 21

24. Eric Norwood LB 6-1 252
Analysis: Productive, versatile pass-rusher, ideal 3-4 OLB in the NFL. Last week: No. 24

25. Jon Asamoah OL 6-5 315
Analysis: Strong, quick and technically sound. Last week: NR

Does anybody else think that Greg Hardy is a little overrated? He has good talent, but I just don't think he is healthy or consistant enough to warrant a first round pick.

Let me put it this way: Greg Hardy, George Selvie, Jerry Hughes, Brandon Graham, Sergio Kindle and Corey Wootton who would you take in what order and why?

I would go with

1. Sergio Kindle

This is a close call between Hughes and Kindle. I would go with Kindle because he has shown that he can play both linebacker and defensive end at a high level. He is very explosive rushing the passer and can play very well in coverage.

2. Jerry Hughes

Very good, but I liked Kindle because he has played outside linebacker in college. Hughes has just been a pass rusher.

3. Brandon Graham

He has really impressed me a lot this year leading the Michigan defense.

4. George Selvie

Wasn't very high on him coming into this year, but he has raised his game and his stock. But how much of this is because of Pierre-Paul on the other side?

5. Greg Hardy

Injuries and inconsistancy has really hurt him I think. Has the talent to be a first rounder, but doesn't always play like it. Although he might be the best 4-3 end of the group.

6. Corey Wootton

I don't know how he really fits into this conversation. Everybody else is a 3-4 rush linebacker type of prospect and Wooton is the only one that isn't. I would say his best fit would be in a 3-4 defensive end. He could play in a 4-3, but his pass rushing ability is not where it should be. More of a run stopper. I really liked him coming into this year and still do, but he hasn't produced like most would have liked.

Kiper the Hyper always has to grab some unknown player, albeit one with some nice upside, and slap him onto his big board to generate some discussion. Jason Paul-Pierre? Yes, he is impressive, but his production isn't elite (i.e., top 10) and he has George Selvie on the other end of the line!

I think Johanns hit it pretty much on the head. I'd put Hughes #1, but I am (admittedly) biased against Kindle because of character issues. If I have an NFL team, Kindle isn't on my draft board.

He wasn't included in the discussion, but I would put Eric Norwood at number three and could probably make an argument to be number two. I think that between Hughes, Kindle and Norwood is very close. I would not be surprised or disagree if Hughes was taken first Norwood gone second and Kindle gone third.

I like Kindle the best because he has shown that he can play both outside linebacker and defensive end at a high level. Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Hughes only played defensive end? I know he was recruited to be a running back but was switched. He does have some character issues, but if they are what I think they are then I dont' think that hurts him too much.

Which "He" are you referring to here? I don't think you mean Hughes, because I haven't heard a bad thing about him. Kindle hasn't shown me much in the way of maturity or solid decision-making off the field. I don't care how good a player is, if he's suspended, he's useless to me, and I don't know if Kindle can stay out of trouble. He knew he was one of the top players coming into the season, but he still manages to get himself in trouble before the season. (I'm making the logical conclusion that he was inebriated when he ran his vehicle into a building, then fled the scene.)

I was referring to Kindle. I agree that he has some issues. But Andre Smith had some issues too and that really didn't hurt him too bad. Those issues will hurt Kindle a little and allow Hughes and maybe another player at the position to bypass him. But I still believe he goes in the top 20

Actually sources indicate it was 'distracted' driving, the police report indicated he was having a heated text-a-tete with a young woman.

That's his story, but Texas law doesn't require the driver to remain at the scene of a hit-and-run if the thing that got hit was a building. Could he have been texting? Absolutely, but he already had a history and left the scene. By the time it was reported, any alcohol would have been out of his system.

Your point assumes that making lots of money is equivalent to genuine expertise. Sadly and unfortunately, this country stopped rewarding people based solely on merit long ago. I tip my hat to Mel for being the first "Regular Joe" with a personality (something Buschbaum--who was far superior to him, and anyone else for that matter, in every facet of scouting--lacked) to force himself into the national stage in this area. First in=first (and only) to get rich doing this. Mel was an entrepreneur and a very successful one, and he is a trailblazer who is rightfully the envy of the independent scouting world.

However, he was never a great scout. More of a great pedant and organizer of information. Even to this day, his scouting reports lack depth and insight to an astounding degree considering the heights to which he has ascended. You put Mel together with CDS and you would have an unstoppable juggernaut. I suggested partnering up to him 25 years ago, and he turned me down.

He is rich and famous, yes, but we are better at what we do... PERIOD. Go figure...

One example? I just talked to Andy Studebaker (the new starting OLB for the KC Chiefs, Wheaton '08) last night to congratulate him for reaching the pinnacle (or at least getting his gloved hand on it) of the potential we saw and reported on REPEATEDLY of him 15 months ago. Where was Mel on Studebaker? Nowhere to be found....

Compare what we had to say about UMaine's Jovan Belcher (i.e. NOTHING) who basically saved that upset win for KC yesterday versus what we said about him. Or how about Cincy's Brent Celek? Or, Cal Poly's Chris Gocong. Or the Patriot's Julian Edelman and Myron Pryor, or the NY Jets' Mike DeVito, or ....the list goes on and on....

See...we scout all levels of football, and cover the small-school gems which he largely ignores. That's what real, indepth, national scouting coverage should be about.

Mel is an icon and rightly so. We labor largely in obscurity but are taken seriously by the people who really matter. Given the choice, I'd still probably choose the latter.

I can't add much, I have met Mr. Kiper, he seems to be a good enough person and a great businessman, however as has been mentioned Joel Buschbaum is one of many who were far more skilled and perceptive scouts. I don't so much envy Kiper, McShay or Mayock rather I seek to examine the factors that made them successful, and while I do feel I can learn from them I am far from awed by any of them. If there are areas of specific expertise where my knowledge exceeds there's, so be it. The fact is I have work to do to be able to support my family using my expertise. That's my real aspiration.

As always, I am pretty unimpressed by Mel. Taylor Mays in the top 5? Is it just me or is Taylor Mays a bust waiting to happen? The guy is a great athlete but his entire career people have been waiting for him to stop being an athlete and start being a Football player and he just hasn't progressed into one. For being as good of an athlete that he is, his ballskills are below average, he takes bad angles to the ball, goes for the big hit instead of the textbook tackle and is just very underwhelming in his coverage and ability to read QBs.

No idea how Pierre-Paul is that high. I've watched the guy and he's a good DE prospect but he's not a top 20 player imo. He's a very good athlete but is very raw and has average technique. He could of course develop into a great player but those type players ESPECIALLY at DE are really risky.

Finally, Colt McCoy is too high for my taste. I'll take heat for this but I am feeling the same way about McCoy as I did about Quinn. I feel like he's a good athlete who is getting very much overrated. McCoy plays in a very simple spread offense that rarely ever makes him make NFL reads or throws. He has a great completion % but that's mostly because Texas' offense revolves around the short passes. I don't think I've ever seen McCoy in any game that I watched him in make a throw into tight coverage with any type of velocity on the ball 15+ downfield. His downfield passes are usually to open targets which will of course work in college but in the NFL, he won't be able to live off the short pass and players will not be wide open deep when he has to pass deep. I just don't feel very good about McCoy's arm strength, ability to read defenses(abnormally high ints for the simplistic system he is in) and his ability to make NFL throws. He kind of strikes me as a guy who we will see struggle immensely in the Senior Bowl when he is forced to make the NFL throws kind of like Harrell did. I really want to see how he does in the Senior Bowl because that will make or break him, right now, I don't feel comfortable taking him round 1.

A couple other things, Eric Berry is the best player in this draft, easily, in my mind. I think he's a day 1 starter and will be an All Pro in the NFL multiple times if he doesn't get injured. I am not so high on Kindle, he tends to disappear and is really a tweener as a player but not in a great way. I am worried about Dunlap too. He has freakish physical tools and is absolutely disruptive when he wants to be but his motor tends to run hot and cold. I think he'll be a very good NFL DE but he's definitely going to have to get motivated as he tends to play up and down to his competition.

Solid analysis on McCoy. As much as I like him as a person and root for him and his future, I just don't see him being a great pro or a first round pick. He has been likened to Montana and in some ways, that fits. His arm is not as strong as Joe's was, and we all know he didn't have a cannon. Colt benefits greatly chucking it up to targets streaking wide open all over the field, but that's not going to happen on Sundays. I just don't foresee him splitting two-deep coverage on a long post pattern or -- god forbid -- hitting a deep out.

As far as best player in the nation goes, think Ndamukong Suh, and no, I didn't get that from Kiper. My criticism of him all along -- that he was physically maxed out, will not get bigger and is probably shorter than listed -- is starting to materialize. By his own admission, he is down to 290lbs this season, which means 4-3 DT only. That being said, he could still go number one, not be a reach, and have tremendous impact as a penetrator/playmaker.

If Ryan Perrilloux had gone to UT, and not lost his mind for 20 months, McCoy transfers after a year or 2 to LSU and wins the job, until he losses it to Jefforson, Snead would have never gone to UT, and might have gone to Arkansas, Mustain would have decommitted at that point and headed to Lubbock, Mallet would have ended up at USC and would have edged Barkley, whew! But McCoy is a notch below LeFevor and Perrilloux in my book, he is like a much more athletic Pennington and can succeed in some systems, but not all.

Depends what scheme.

Joel Buschbaum God...when I was growing up I used to eat up his stuff...nice memories there, and by far the best draftnik ever...although he was basically a hermit. Still, he had several NFL teams seeking him out and asking his opinion about players...now that's the ultimate pinnacle...except the hermit part.

Funny how it all works out.

So let's go 4-3 Under, 4-3 Over, 4-3 Cover-2 and 3-4 and rate them.

Being a much more athletic Pennington doesnt sound so bad to me!

Well if I'm an NFL GM and I run the 4-3 then I'd go:

1. Brandon Graham
2. Jerry Hughes
3. Greg Hardy
4. Sergio Kindle
5. Corey Wootton
6. George Selvie

(This is based off of rankings these players, not who I think will go higher in the draft)

If we run the 3-4 I'd go:

1. Sergio Kindle
2. Jerry Hughes
3. Brandon Graham
4. Greg Hardy
5. Geroge Selvie
6. Corey Wooton (But unlike the other five he translate to a 3-4 DE not a rush linebaker)

I am going to do an article on the late J.D Salinger of scouting for our scouting Hall of Fame. Once I finish the Bill Nunn and Lloyd A.C 'Judge' Wells articles and "Spreading Confusion."

McCoy isn't bad but aren't guys like Pike, LeFevour and Sean Canfield just a bit better? In what way is he better than Troy's Levi Brown, speed maybe?

Let me know when you get this done, if you would please. It sounds exciting and he is certainly an interesting subject.

I'd probably go with:

4-3:
1. Brandon Graham
2. Corey Wooton
3. Greg Hardy
4. Jerry Hughes
5. Sergio Kindle
6. George Selvie

Tampa 2:
1. Greg Hardy
2. Brandon Graham
3. Jerry Hughes
4. Sergio Kindle
5. George Selvie
6. Corey Wooton

3-4:
1. Jerry Hughes
2. Brandon Graham
3. Greg Hardy
4. Corey Wooton
5. Sergio Kindle
6. George Selvie

Wooton would be at 3-4 DE and the others at 3-4 OLB.

I always loved Salinger as an author, but now I find out he was a football scout too?! Wow!

I am a draft or 2 away.